arrow flight question

i,ll recommend the wolfsden,just south of barrie to get your bow set up..also a great place to target practice..
you can either join up for a membership or pay i $10.00 a day to play..
i,d also recommend the excalibur forum for any bow info you need..
google both places to find out more info
 
I use 100gr G5 Striker broad heads out of my Horton legacy 225 and they fly the same as my 100gr field tips. I was practicing the other day shooing a field point then a broad head with the same arrows and vanes. I shot the one field point then followed up with the broad head and I robin hood'ed my field tipped arrow at 40yds off my four wheeler rack.
 
I use 100gr G5 Striker broad heads out of my Horton legacy 225 and they fly the same as my 100gr field tips. I was practicing the other day shooing a field point then a broad head with the same arrows and vanes. I shot the one field point then followed up with the broad head and I robin hood'ed my field tipped arrow at 40yds off my four wheeler rack.

pics, or it didnt happen;)

I think Ill pay wolfsden a visit, looks like an interesting place
 
I think there are probably a handful of issues contributing to your bow's lack of accuracy.

First, as mentioned, it's may be the fletchings. I see from the pictures that your arrows have the 2" fletchings on them. A lot of people have found that they don't provide sufficient drag to stabilize the arrow with certain broadheads. However, the fletchings may very well be more than sufficient to stabilize your arrows, if the problem is fletch contact.

Second, you might have a problem with fletch contact. You mentioned that your fletch might be hitting the cables of your bow. Any contact with the arrow will affect your shot, even the movement of your bow WHILE you are releasing your shot. That's why a lot of archers are switching to drop away rests with complete arrow clearance. Also on that note, you mentioned that the arrow rest you used is the "little rubber arm." If that is hitting your fletching as the arrow passes, it too will throw your shot off. If you have fletchings aligned differently (with the nock), then every time the rest hits the fletch, it will throw the arrow in a different direction. This isn't as noticable with field points because the drag of the fletch will straighten the arrow out quickly, but with broadheads the extra surface area catches the air & planes violently. Actual feathers are less affected by fletch contact, but it does still affect them. That's why traditional archers who generally shoot their arrows "off the shelf" tend to use feathers, and make sure that their feathers & nock are lined up the same on every arrow.

It is possible that you have too much or too little arrow spine, but since your problem seems pretty severe, I doubt that that's the culprit.

So, my suggestions are, take it into a pro-shop, they will be able to trouble-shoot it no problem. After all, that's their job! While you're there here's a few things you should ask them to look for, and in this order;

FIRST! Make sure you don't have problems with fetching clearance. You might want to buy a drop-away rest ($100-ish) or just a cheap shoot-through with minimum contact.

Once you know your fletching isn't hitting anything, get them to re-fletch your arrows with 4" or 3.5" vanes, and ask them to put them on with a helical twist instead of straight. One thing though, if you are using a cheap shoot-through rest, you'll need to have the fletchings on straight, or you go right back to the fletching clearance problem. In my experience, cheap vanes that are glued on with a helical twist shoot no differently than the new vanes with fancy features that make them spin, maybe even better. The spin you get from the fletching helps stabilize the arrows, just like rifling & bullets.

Get the guys at the pro-shop to check your arrows against an arrow spine chart & make sure that they have appropriate spine for your bow.

If your field points are not the same weight as your broadheads, get some that ARE the same weight. Broadheads will never fly like field points, but at least if you're using the same size points you can adjust your sights properly.

Once you've made sure that these are all done, get the guys at the pro shop to paper tune your bow, and pay attention while they do it so that you can do it yourself. Doing your own paper tuning is as easy as nailing a few pieces of scrap wood together & putting newspaper over them, once you know how to adjust your bow & arrows.

By the way, you DO NOT need to have your broadhead blades aligned with your arrow's fletching. That is basically an urban myth, accuracy isn't improved or degraded by lining them up. What should help is getting your arrow to spin, hence helical fletching.

Hope this helps, cheers.

Tim
 
thank you Tim, and everyone who has contributed, some really great advice here

just on the veins issue, the bow at its age, still has a 55lb pull, the arrows I use are 6075, carbon compsite, at 30 3/4in long
the nocks and fletches are always aligned, I check that before or after each shooting session

Im planing to visit wolfsden this week, if not then within next two for sure

thank you every one again, this is really helpfull
 
It might be time to revisit some basics and papertune with the broadheads on.

Check with the target points, then with the broadheads. If your arrow is not flying nearly perfectly, then the broadhead vanes will, repeat WILL, cause your arrows to go all over the place. No matter how big the vanes are.

Point of impact is going to change anyways, but if your arrows are flying true, the POI should be consistent.

Other potential problems are underspined arrows, which will accentuate the amount that the blades are able to affect the arrows flight, and major differences in the weight of your target and broad heads.

Shooting fingers or release? The slight differences in the dynamics of shooting fingers off a plunger-flipper rest will also cause some grief, while usually there are far fewer issues with release shooting off a spring rest or dropaway.

Basics first. Got any experienced archery guys around that can help? Usually there is someone around that is a gear slut and has a pile of different heads around that can be tried without having to invest your life savings.

Different heads fly differently, but you can minimize the ammount of affect that can have, by getting the basics tuned up.

Cheers
Trev

All good advice. If you have an archery shop nearby they're always willing to help (and sell you the right equipment), and if they have an indoor range you can probably get your bow tuned right there.
 
Different broadheads work well with differant bows also you will find lessoning tension ans tightening tension will help to dial in certain combonations. for example my sone bought four blade muzzys and they were all over three blade muzzy 125 grain were dead on now the four blades work best with my set up.
 
Well I finally took the time to take the sights off my bow and paper tune it properly. It shoots like a new bow! It shoots broadheads to the same poi as feild points! I love it!
My arrows tore the paper with the points low and left. I lowered my nock and moved my whisker biscuit towards the riser. Put the front sight(pin housing) on and set it so I was looking at my first pin when drwan and anchored, and the put my hindsight back on.
My broadheads had a habit of planeing left, just the way the paper showed.
I can see now how improper tuning will be exaggerated when shooting broadheads.
Sorry for hijacking a thread the was really about broadheads, but for my set up the poor tuning was more of an issue than the broadheads. I"m shooting game heads into apples at 25 mtrs!
I need to go hunting!
 
this was my split and sorry I split my broad head arrow with a field tip same dif. The first arrow was shot at 20yds I moved back to 40yds for the second shot and this was the result you can see how the second arrow came down on the first.

 
go with 5 or so length of fleching (my preferance is real feathers with a good twist to them)

with any plastic or feather match them up before putting them on ( some times wrong angle at base)

happy hunting:dancingbanana:
 
you should see the looks i get when i walk my target bag out 100 yards for my exomax crossbow:D i typically practice at 80 yards which is nearly double what i consider my max range. the way i see it is if i am good enough at 80 yards, ill be more than good enough for 40 yards.

those vanes look pretty small to me:confused:

Those vanes are Blazers, pretty awesome stuff. I use them on my compound as well as crossbow arrows.
100 Yards? what are you using for a sight on your Max? I have the Lumi-Zone and when set up correctly I can't even see 100 yards due to the angle of the bow?
 
thanks guys,
I want to refletch all my arrows, Im in the market for fletching jig

now which section should I post the add:confused:


The easiest jig I have found yet is the Arizona EZ fletcher, do up a whole arrow in about 30 seconds. Perfect fletching every time.
 
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