AR's: Pedigreed vs Bitsa

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A common topic surrounding the AR rifle and its modularity is the difference between a high end complete rifle of good pedigree and the lovable bitsa mongrels.

Last night I got to watch a DI AR undergo a serious abusing. This was the worst single event beasting I have ever witnessed of a rifle and I served in the military.

So many rounds went through this AR so rapidly that an portable air compressor had to be brought in to keep the rifle from seriously overheating. This went on for roughly three hours. I don't know exactly how many rounds went through the rifle but it was a lot. The floor was slick with fired cases by the time it was finished.

The rifle was not cleaned during the event. It did receive periodic lubrication.

In all that I witnessed only a few failures to eject but under the extreme circumstances of excess heat and fouling that is not unexpected.

So which breed do you think this rifle came from? Haughty Pedigreed bloodline or Mongrel?
 
Mongrels can be just as effective, if not assembled from worn out or poor quality parts. My AR is from various makes of bits and pieces and to me, after reliable operation, its the barrel and trigger that make for accuracy.
 
technically all ARs are built from bits and pieces, look at the ATRS ones, bunch of different manufacturers but a high end product at the end. the important part is the skill of the person who put it together
 
Since you beg the question I'll opine that it was a "melting pot" gun. What they saved in buying brand name they obviously spent on ammo!
 
As long as parts AR's use decent parts in good working order, no reason you can't have a reliable gun. I've built a few mongrels that went 4-5k rounds with no cleanings and virtually no problems.

Are there advantages of using "higher" end parts? Yes. There may have been a few less malfunctions in the night of shooting. Those types of shoots really magnify and accentuate any potential issues a platform may have.

Parts longevity is another thing to consider.
 
In my experience, a lot of of the "top tier", high pedigree culture AR-15's, in this and other similar sites, is a mild form of snobbery rather than actual functionality or even quality where it really counts. No doubt there are shoddy made parts by some of the dozens of manufacturers of AR-15 clones, however, when a mongrel or one of the plebeian makes, like Olympic Arms, DPMS etc, etc, functions just as reliably and group just as well as a KAC or LMT, are they "inferior" guns? Granted, the fit and finish and overall pride of ownership that comes with a good looking AR-15 from a highly regarded maker justifies a higher price even if pragmatically it serves its owner just as effectively as a mongrel or a "plebeian" one. Is a $4000 AR-15 really four times as good in accuracy, reliability and functionality than a $1000 one? Same arguments go for many consumer products from cars to electric stoves, so the bottom line is whatever turns one's crank, it's worth it for him.

My two bits
 
It is worth noting you don't see a lot of threads on Norinco ARs having problems either. Food for thought.
 
Its 1950,s technology if any company can,t put together an Ar15 and make it shoot 10k of ammo. Shooting 2-4 MOA. Without a Major malfunction, then that company should go back to making typewriters.
Oww and all AR15,s are parts guns, its all about selection and QC of the company putting them together.
 
CarbineOne said:
How exactly do you have a parts gun Norinco?

Also, it's not.
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I guess you aren't aware that they sell the 10.5" uppers separately and there are a number of inexpensive lowers or use a good lower, the upper takes the brunt of the punishment from that type of abuse.

If you're going to be a smart A$$ how about letting us know what it was then?
 
Kalashnikov described Gene Stoner as a genius, the genius is in the design, not the 'build' - if you can find reasonable quality parts and follow some amazingly simple instructions, you can build a rifle that is not just reliable, but accurate and durable. My money's on a mutt.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I guess you aren't aware that they sell the 10.5" uppers separately and there are a number of inexpensive lowers or use a good lower, the upper takes the brunt of the punishment from that type of abuse.

If you're going to be a smart A$$ how about letting us know what it was then?
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And throwing a Norinco AR upper on any lower still makes it a Norinco AR. The heart of every AR lies in the bolt, the barrel, and the gas system.

It was a parts gun, as stated. It's OP's gun, I'll let him describe it in detail if he so chooses.
 
CarbineOne said:
And throwing a Norinco AR upper on any lower still makes it a Norinco AR. The heart of every AR lies in the bolt, the barrel, and the gas system.

It was a parts gun, as stated. It's OP's gun, I'll let him describe it in detail if he so chooses.
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Not according to law, a Norc upper on a KAC lower is legally a KAC AR 15 - I know, the Law is an Ass.
 
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