CarbineOne
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Legally a KAC, but I'd still call it a Norc
In any case, why are people so concerned about what the gun is? The discussion is parts guns vs. factory build
AR's: Pedigreed vs Bitsa
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Legally a KAC, but I'd still call it a Norc
In any case, why are people so concerned about what the gun is? The discussion is parts guns vs. factory build
No it doesn't. It makes it a franken gun. You wouldn't advertise it as a Norinco AR. Because it's a mix match AR.
That being said, after rereading the OP I completely agree that a Norinco AR wouldn't make sense. I just didn't appreciate the manner in which you pointed it out.
At the same event, there were a pair of Sigs that underwent the same three hours of abuse and I saw them experience a few failures to eject as well.
I don't think anyone would argue that a Sig 552 is a crappy or unreliable rifle. IMO the underlying factor involved in the malfunctions we saw that day were related to the extreme amount and rate of ammunition consumption.
It was crazy watching these guns shot to the point of overheating then spend a minute or so having compressed air blown through them to cool down only to be put immediately back into use to be overheated again. And that abuse went on for hours.
I don't think anyone would argue that a Sig 552 is a crappy or unreliable rifle. IMO the underlying factor involved in the malfunctions we saw that day were related to the extreme amount and rate of ammunition consumption.
It was crazy watching these guns shot to the point of overheating then spend a minute or so having compressed air blown through them to cool down only to be put immediately back into use to be overheated again. And that abuse went on for hours.
Legally a KAC, but I'd still call it a Norc
In any case, why are people so concerned about what the gun is? The discussion is parts guns vs. factory build
Let's just say it ended up being a Norinco - there would be a CGN'er or two that would have a kanipsh!t proclaiming the inferiority of foreign made goods whilst at the same have deep-seated feelings of regret and buyer's remorse because they feel they may have spent too much. Maybe. But I think it comedic to see read posts like: I'll never by Chinese crap or oh please I want an AR but I don't a Norinco when chances are they've yet to even fire or handle one.
But I digress. The AR is arguably the most modular (if not, most heavily supported by the aftermarket) platforms today. By taking the most robust and proven (and most expensive) components and parts - customized AR's cost ceiling is only as high as the sky.
Just because its cycling doesn't make it reliable and accurate. Last time I checked you could still turn over an gas engine with no compression using an electric starter... not that its going to take you anywhere you want to go.
I would laugh really hard if this thread ended with Suputin saying, "no, it was a 6920. There were several budget options there and they all failed."
Just because there has been a build-up for a surprise ending where a frankengun performs well.
It would be cool if it's the NEA...when do we find out?
Just because there has been a build-up for a surprise ending where a frankengun performs well.
It would be cool if it's the NEA...when do we find out?
I think it is kind of obvious by now that this is indeed a mongrel bitsa rifle. It was assembled by me for use in torture testing cans.
I bought the barrel as a used DPMS piece and have run between 1500 and 2000 rounds through it under the most difficult conditions previous to the other nights torture. It has all been full-auto suppressed in large numbers cause that is the only way too get a can REALLY HOT.
On one test we ran the gun so hot we could see the bullets exiting as nothing more substantial than a grey streak of vapourized lead. It looked like short lived tracers.
The rifle undergoes such a hard life that I ended up machining a heat sink to wrap around the back end of the barrel. Even with that and an aluminum free float handguard, the upper and forend still get ridiculously hot during the longer tests.
The lower is an Aero Precision that I machined to accept the FA parts and the rest is miscellanious parts that were picked up from a variety of sources chosen primarily for low cost.
This rifle has been impressively reliable under very difficult conditions.
I bought the barrel as a used DPMS piece and have run between 1500 and 2000 rounds through it under the most difficult conditions previous to the other nights torture. It has all been full-auto suppressed in large numbers cause that is the only way too get a can REALLY HOT.
On one test we ran the gun so hot we could see the bullets exiting as nothing more substantial than a grey streak of vapourized lead. It looked like short lived tracers.
The rifle undergoes such a hard life that I ended up machining a heat sink to wrap around the back end of the barrel. Even with that and an aluminum free float handguard, the upper and forend still get ridiculously hot during the longer tests.
The lower is an Aero Precision that I machined to accept the FA parts and the rest is miscellanious parts that were picked up from a variety of sources chosen primarily for low cost.
This rifle has been impressively reliable under very difficult conditions.
That sounds like a lot of fun.
Who made the BCG? can we see a picture of the rifle??
I love pics of well used rifles.
Actually it is not fun at all. Pumping hundreds of rounds through a rifle is a mindless chore that is basically kind of unpleasant and somewhat stressful not to mention expensive.
Everything gets superheated and there is always the risk of a catastrophic failure. We have to wear heavy gloves and take care not to touch parts of the rifle because it is so hot it would instantly fry the skin to s crisp.
The suppressor increases back pressure and blows propellant gas out of the ejection port. At rapid firing rates the operator ends up breathing clouds of acrid gas. Then you can imagine how expensive it is to turn 400 rounds into heat inside of 5 minutes can be.
I don't remember exactly who made the BCG. I have several of them that came from different sources. I don't have any pics of this rifle because it is just a fugly test mule. It doesn't even have any sights on it because it never gets used to actually put rounds on a target.
Interestingly I discovered a shelf of built up hard carbon fouling inside the muzzle brake after the other night's torture session. It is surprising just how much crap builds up in front of the muzzle.
