Article - Alberta grizzlies barely surviving, census shows

[Uwish]

While I do understand and know human pressure is reducing available "free range" habitat for these animals, I really think their numbers are suspect..

 

[eltorro]

I never called them lazy pencil pushers.
I did say that most of the methods used to count them are steering away from the actual counting. Blamed be the insufficient funds or the belief that a new method could be accurate enough.
I said that they spend time in the woods - as part of their job - but not counting bears - wich also bears on the fact that they chose a genetic determination to estabelish their numbers. There's a little misunderstanding on your behalf. You chose to stand for the biologists working/hunting etc. I blame them not on a personal basis, but as a system. I got to know a few back in ON and they were nice guys. Disagreeing with the said study doesn't mean I wouldn't probably like the person who wrote it.
You naturally assume that everytime you talk with somebody on the forum they are either working for the ministry or are against them. There is no way in between? Who has the funds to sponsor a different method of bear counting, so we can have a "second opinion"? You are dismissing what other guys have said on the forum just because they don't have the means (money+time) to conduct a study?
I never called them anti-hunting folk or hippies.... but since you mentioned it, you must know something?

I'm done with this kind of opinion exchange on a topic that is about bears, not about biologists. If you care so much to continue, we can do so on p.m.

Best regards

 

[BBB]

Disagreeing with the said study doesn't mean I wouldn't probably like the person who wrote it.

You didn't read the study. You didn't read the article summing up the study.
You don't know anything about the study, so how can you disagree with it.

I don't "naturally assume that everytime you talk with somebody on the forum they are either working for the ministry or are against them".

But when I read something like this:

these reports contain a vague explanation about the means of conducting the count

or this:

they would do anything not to have to move their asses in the woods and count the population

or this:

And even if they have seen some, the guy with the pencil will go about thinking that is the same bear.

Then I don't have to assume anything -- it seems pretty clear that you called the science guys liars, lazy, and pencil pushers who are so dumb that they can't even count.

 

[the_big_mike]

sorry I threw out any credibility I reserved for him when he said

"...a grizzly shot accidentally by an elk hunter..."

how the HELL do you confuse a bear with an elk?

yikes!

 

[K98ACTION]

You obviously haven't read the reports and clearly know nothing about grizzly hunting in Alberta. When the hunt was open, nobody got a grizz license "just in case they see a bear."

The reports so far explained in great detail how they went about gathering data.

As for the "guys with pencils" who are doing the actual counting -- they spend more time in the woods than 99.9% of the guys on here.

Feel free to dispute the numbers -- personally I'm more inclined to buy the biologist's methodology than random reports on the internet, but that's just me. But you wrote like six paragraphs without being right once.

Good job!

I have to agree. Sorry guys but the science has to have some credit and believability.

But it seems you think that the science is directly attacking your sport. Not really. The latest low numbers report on the news, the nature boy was actually pointing the finger at what I and others believe to be the real reason for the low numbers, and that was too many damn access roads into the grizz habitat. Dwindling grizz habitat.. With these problems the bears will have no option but to die out. Now that they seem to be getting less in numbers, in order to try to save them a temporary hunting ban will help. But this is only a bandaid fix. Good for the short term, but what is really needed for the long term is a reduction in taking their habitat away, and how do we do that? Well good luck is all I can say on that. Because Oil is king in this province.