Assault rifles and SMGs?
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How am I baiting you, Deckard? It's a pretty simple question, why give your liberal antis any more ammunition by calling semiautos 'machine guns'? Would you care to discuss it, or do you just come to these threads to do 'drive-bys'?
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Not just any LEO, it has to be either the sheriff or local police chief. That's not to hard in this area. Here in Virginia Beach, we have 459 registered machine guns in city limits.
There are between 3000 - 4000 registered fully automatic machine guns registered in Canada. Similar to the NFA registry in the US.
According to the last "Assault Weapons" ban and subsequent sunset, in the US, it appears the United States legislature is defining semi automatic firearms to be included in the definition of assault weapons as well.
Also in the US the ATF has ruled that 'once a full auto always a full auto'. Therefore any Converted Automatic/12.3 firearm in Canada is still a machine gun, by US legislative standards. There are thousands more of these in Canada along with the registered Full Automatics.
So if this discussion is centred on 'semi auto' variants, so what? Discuss away.
According to the last "Assault Weapons" ban and subsequent sunset, in the US, it appears the United States legislature is defining semi automatic firearms to be included in the definition of assault weapons as well.
Also in the US the ATF has ruled that 'once a full auto always a full auto'. Therefore any Converted Automatic/12.3 firearm in Canada is still a machine gun, by US legislative standards. There are thousands more of these in Canada along with the registered Full Automatics.
So if this discussion is centred on 'semi auto' variants, so what? Discuss away.
I hear some people in the US are now calling them "Homeland Defence Rifles." I really like how that sounds
I've also heard people call them sport utility rifles on other forums.
In New Zealand they call them military style semi autos.
I know a LOT of United States, NFA shooters and I don't think they would agree with you calling them a "sensitive" lot.
"...pay a one time $200 tax..." It's one time for you. However, the tax is payable every time a Class 3 changes hands.
"...All you do is..." Depends on where you live. Some States don't allow Class 3, some allow FA but not suppressors, some allow suppressors but not FA, some allow both.
"...All you do is..." Depends on where you live. Some States don't allow Class 3, some allow FA but not suppressors, some allow suppressors but not FA, some allow both.
I know a LOT of United States, NFA shooters and I don't think they would agree with you calling them a "sensitive" lot.
Touche, sir!
But seriously, if you ask most any shooter, I think they will agree that a semiautomatic submachinegun is an oxymoron.There are quite a few depts/agencies that have S E only trigger groups on their MP5s. What do we call those particular firearms? Large shoulder mounted pistols? Short barreled carbines? (redundant, seeing as carbine by definition is a short barreled rifle)
Although,,,, the Sterling L2A4 semi automatic, open bolt SMG was given the title "Police Carbine" by Sterling.. Hmmmm. That was their attempt to hide the obvious for monetary gain. How unlike a gun company.
I think if anyone wants to have the sole defining attribute of an assault rifle or machine gun/submachine gun to be dependant on the multiple rounds fired with one press of the trigger, one would narrow the variants available.
Always open for discussion over a wobbly pop, but up here, it's sort of all we got, so we're going for it.
Maybe it's our poke at the beehive.
Although,,,, the Sterling L2A4 semi automatic, open bolt SMG was given the title "Police Carbine" by Sterling.. Hmmmm. That was their attempt to hide the obvious for monetary gain. How unlike a gun company
.I think if anyone wants to have the sole defining attribute of an assault rifle or machine gun/submachine gun to be dependant on the multiple rounds fired with one press of the trigger, one would narrow the variants available.
Always open for discussion over a wobbly pop, but up here, it's sort of all we got, so we're going for it.
Maybe it's our poke at the beehive.
But your original question conerned "assault rifles" and SMGs. Sorry, I was directing my answers/suggestions towards your question.
Yes, calling a semiauto by either term is is incorrcect, IMO. It is the language of the anti-gun activists and legislators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun
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I know Wikipedia is the new Encyclopedia Americana for the children of the '80's, but getting back to one of my questions, if an HK MP5 has a semi auto (SE) trigger group, is that firearm a carbine, SMG, rifle, howitzer, pistol??? What is it? And there are numerous examples of that 'style' of firearm.
Again, if you want to call it a carbine, where do we put that definition, as it was first called in reference to the short Italian cavalry rifles, that term was originated for? Carbine was not conceived for pistol calibre firearms, it's a rifle.
Again, if you want to call it a carbine, where do we put that definition, as it was first called in reference to the short Italian cavalry rifles, that term was originated for? Carbine was not conceived for pistol calibre firearms, it's a rifle.
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