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Assault Rifles For Hunters?

by Jim Zumbo - Outdoor Life Magazine

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

UPDATE: As a point of clarification about this blog, it is important for everyone to realize that the opinions expressed here are Jim’s and not necessarily those of Outdoor Life.

I’ve been friends with Jim for many years and have shared countless great times with him talking about both hunting and guns. While I totally support Jim’s right to express his point of view—this is his blog after all—I don’t happen to agree with him on this matter.

His position that AR- and AK-style rifles don’t have a place among our “sporting arms” is not one that I personally, or Outdoor Life as a magazine, happens to share.

In the six years that I’ve worked at Outdoor Life we have never wavered in our support of our Second Amendment rights, which don’t, and shouldn’t, make a distinction about the cosmetic look of the guns that we choose take to our local gun clubs or into hunting camp.

That said, I don’t expect every other hunter and sportsman out there to have a set of opinions that moves in lockstep with mine. So while I don’t share Jim’s view on this, I also know that he is still the same wonderfully talented and good-natured person he was before this post went up. For those of you who have followed him for all or part of his more than thirty years at Outdoor Life, I would ask you to bear that in mind before damning him with personal attacks.

John B. Snow
Executive Editor
Outdoor Life


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Its guys like this that groups like the Coalition For Gun Control count on. John Snow tries to cover his ass and that of his magazine, however, Zumbo has shown his true colours. Irrespective of the shape or colour of a firearm, one isn't "better" or "worse" than another. A bolt action Remington or a semi-auto AR-15 are both inanimate objects and both can be used for good or ill. This joker, however, has chosen to leap down that "slippery slope" with both feet...this is the same mentality that saw over half the handguns in Canada be reclassified as prohibited firearms and most formerly restricted rifles and smgs be reclassified as prohibited as well. Frankly I was amazed that an American outdoors/gun writer would ever utter such drivel! It has caused quite a stir south of the border as it should!
 
After a s**t storm of negative E-mails & complaints to the magazine as well as to companies that Zumbo endorses, etc...he did an about face and tried to cover his ass...IMHO, too little, too late! At least that is what this "terrorist" thinks!

I was wrong, BIG TIME

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html

Someone once said that to err is human. I just erred, and made without question, the biggest blunder in my 42 years of writing hunting articles.
My blog inflamed legions of people I love most..... hunters and shooters. Obviously, when I wrote that blog, I activated my mouth before engaging my brain.

Let me explain the circumstances surrounding that blog. I was hunting coyotes, and after the hunt was over and being beat up by 60 mph winds all day, I was discussing hunting with one of the young guides. I was tired and exhausted, and I should have gone to bed early. When the guide told me that there was a "huge" following of hunters who use AR 15's and similar weapons to hunt prairies dogs, I was amazed. At that point I wrote the blog, and never thought it through.

Now then, you might not believe what I have to say, but I hope you do. How is it that Zumbo, who has been hunting for more than 50 years, is totally ignorant about these types of guns. I don't know. I shot one once at a target last year, and thought it was cool, but I never considered using one for hunting. I had absolutely no idea how vast the numbers of folks are who use them.

I never intended to be devisive, and I certainly believe in United we Stand, Divided we Fall. I've been an NRA member for 40 years, have attended 8 national NRA conventions in the last 10 years, and I'm an advisory board member for the United States Sportsmen's Alliance which actively fights anti-hunters and animal rights groups for hunter's rights.
What really bothers me are some of the unpatriotic comments leveled at me. I fly the flag 365 days a year in my front yard. Last year, through an essay contest, I hosted a soldier wounded in Iraq to a free hunt in Botswana. This year, through another essay contest, I'm taking two more soldiers on a free moose and elk hunt.

When I started blogging, I was told to write my thoughts, expressing my own opinion. The offensive blog I wrote was MY opinion, and no one else's. None of the companies that I deal with share that opinion, nor were they aware of what I had written until this firestorm started.

Believe it or not, I'm your best friend if you're a hunter or shooter, though it might not seem that way. I simply screwed up. And, to show that I'm sincere about this, I just talked to Ted Nugent, who everyone knows, and is a Board member of the NRA. Ted is extremely active with charities concerning our wounded military, and though he's known as a bowhunter, Ted has no problem with AR 15's and similar firearms. My sincerity stems from the fact that Ted and I are planning a hunt using AR 15's. I intend to learn all I can about them, and again, I'm sorry for inserting my foot in my mouth.
 
I myself don't use an auto to hunt big game, but that is a personal choice based largely on a preference for bolt guns and single shots. I certainly would not fault those who do though. To divide us over an issue like this only benefits the wrong people.
 
I'm really struggling with this one. I think I agree with Zumbo but I don't want to give the "gun grabbers" any more excuses.
I just can't see hunters with a great deal of respect for the game using military autoloaders. Doing so would seem to be part of a " whack 'em and stack 'em" mentality that does not fit my PERSONAL ethics. I think respect for the game is the key. I know there are a lot of hunters uncomfortable with the discussion. Maybe we should be discussing our public image as hunters more. I know we won't make any converts by doing whatever we feel like and "to hell with them" - I for one do try to make converts out of non-hunters, and part of that is to stress our love for wild game meat and the traditions and joy of the hunt while respecting the animals that we kill.
I did kill my first deer years ago with a military surplus .303, so hunting with military arms is not a black/white issue to me, just something worth keeping an open mind about.
 
Interesting to note that some countries (e.g. Sweden) ban the use of military style semi-autos for hunting. The same debate there except that it was lost many years ago.

No rhyme nor reason to it - simply esthetics.

It's a slippery slope folks...
 
Longwalker said:
I'm really struggling with this one. I think I agree with Zumbo but I don't want to give the "gun grabbers" any more excuses.
I just can't see hunters with a great deal of respect for the game using military autoloaders. Doing so would seem to be part of a " whack 'em and stack 'em" mentality that does not fit my PERSONAL ethics. I think respect for the game is the key.

Longwalker,

Whether you know it or not, you're basically accepting the official Liberal Party line and their resolution #42/#47

There are hundreds of guys here who regularly hunt with their M-305/M-14S which is a Norinco built copy of the US M-14 Battle Rifle. It is a highly accurate, semi-automatic rifle that fires the .308 Win cartridge...it is no less lethal, nor less dangerous than a Remingtong Model 7400 chambered in the same caliber.

Also, there are guys who regularly hunt varmints with their SIG/Swiss Arms semi-automatic rifles such as the Classic Green, Black Special & Blue Star, which are all versions of the PE-90. These fire the 5.56mm/.223 cartridge and make for a very accurate varmint rifle that permits fast follow-up shots that really comes in handy for off hand shots at that pesky coyote raiding the hen house, or taking care of a bunch of praire dogs that have taken up residence in the horse pasture out back.

There are many other semi-automatic rifles, that simply "look" mean, that offer great service in a sporting pursuit. The above are but a few examples. Unfortunately, one of the best, the AR-15 platform, is restricted for Canadian hunters, so we can't use them varmint hunting. However, our American cousins still can. I'm sure you would be surprised at the tiny groups a properly tweaked AR-15 set-up as a varmint rifle can shoot out of its heavy, varmint weight 24" bbl. I've seen them shoot in the 0.1s" with handloads at 100 yards.

What these rifles "look" like has no bearing on the "ethics" of using them on game. They are accurate and they chamber cartridges that are of sufficient power to humanely take game.

As for "spraying and praying" with a legal magazine limit of five rounds, a trained man with a lever action or pump action isn't going to be that much slower than a guy shooting a semi-auto. In fact, the guy with the lever gun, can actually put twice the number of bullets in the air than the guy armed with the so-called "assault" rifle due to their larger magazines!
 
SuperCub said:
At first glance, Zumbo sounds like a Federal Liberal, but at least he has enough fortitude to admit his mistake.






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He probably has to say he was wrong or get turfed by all of his employers -another Lieberal strategy, say anything to stay
 
I have no sympathy for this guy. Nor do I accept his appology, which was written under duress.

He is the enemy within. I hope all sponsors cut him loose, then he can join Wendy & Co. :puke:
 
I never intended to be devisive, and I certainly believe in United we Stand, Divided we Fall. I've been an NRA member for 40 years, have attended 8 national NRA conventions in the last 10 years,
Must have been snoozing at all those conventions and tossed all the literature.

If Zumbo couldn't wrap his head around this issue after a lifetime with firearms, anyone care to hazard a guess what percent amongst our ranks would sell out the 'assault rifle' crowd?
 
in case you guys missed this from another thread...

Reprint of the letter from the CEO of Remington!!


"You may feel free to advise your people of the following.

Remington is shocked and dissappointed by the comments of Jim zumbo which have been widely circulated on the web. These comments do not reflect either my own feelings or those of my company!

Accordingly we are severing all business ties with Mr zumbo and any of his companies effective immediately and will make a formal release tomorrow to this effect.

We appreciate the passionate support of our right to bear arm arms by all in the shooting sports.

Sincerely

Tommy millner
CEO"
 
While the article is about the hunting aspects, don't be fooled.

It's just another attempt to make some guns OK and others not based on RETARDED standards.

Once they get their hooks into one group, they have a better chance at the rest of us.
 
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I personally think my 10.5" AR15 with the holosight would be great for plinking rabits and squirrels. Its a fast cartridge, the recoil is muted so its easy to stay on a moving target and reacquire it. Limited to 3 rounds keeps it sporting. I really can't see this argument having any merit and it falls into the antigun trap. A projectile is a projectile, the shape and color of the tool used to launch the projectile is irrelevant.
 
This is official from Remington's front page: remington.com

NOTICE: Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today.
 
Blackthorne said:
While the article is about the hunting aspects, don't be fooled.

It's just another attempt to make some guns OK and others not based on RETARDED standards.

Once they get their hooks into one group, they have a better chance at the rest of us.

Just because I can't stand autos myself, (and actually detest most of the military things)
I have absolutely NO quarrel with anyone that does like them.
They are very big in hi-power across the course competitions, and in other types of three gun matches, etc. and I know that some use them for hunting.
i just can't get my head around that.
At the same time, I have a hard time with 90% of the bolt actions on the market , with the exception of single shot target rifles.
HOWEVER - this does not mean that I feel they should be outlawed, banned from hunting, whatever!
What Zumbo said was INEXCUSABLE!!:mad:

The type of action that a rifle has or what it looks like should have no bearing on whether or not it should be able to be hunted with.

They are a tool, and the people that use them are responsible in the end for their use, period.

You can misuse a single shot if you really want to when push comes to shove.

My favorite choice of rifle action for hunting continually has people scratching their heads single shots, as do my choice of cartridges
(wildcats or obsolete BP ), and have been told they are "useless", inefficceint" etc. on more than one occasion.

It doesn't matter, I shoot 'em 'cause I like 'em , bottom line.

Cat
 
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