at How much $ per Projie does it end?

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So for You, How much does 1 projectile Dollar value Draw the line for You?

im finding that the .358 stuff is starting to get higher, some hornady boxes of 100x, going for $160 dollars.. so $1.6 per projie.

some stuff like Barness and Nosler are even higher in some instances, 50x packets going for $150 etc.

Where is the line ?


i dont like $1 per projie. i try keep under that but seeing the normal is bordering $1 for anything over .308 projectiles
 
WhelanLad said:
So for You, How much does 1 projectile Dollar value Draw the line for You?

im finding that the .358 stuff is starting to get higher, some hornady boxes of 100x, going for $160 dollars.. so $1.6 per projie.

some stuff like Barness and Nosler are even higher in some instances, 50x packets going for $150 etc.

Where is the line ?


i dont like $1 per projie. i try keep under that but seeing the normal is bordering $1 for anything over .308 projectiles
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Well, I am guessing you are reaching your point of no return.
I only shoot enough to sight my rifles in and maybe another 20-40 to confirm poa .
I'm not shooting as a profession nor as a competitor.
I plink and hunt and that's enough for me.
Omv of opinion and actions.
 
Ozzie prices on components are terrible compared to ours; I usually round it off to double. Much of it doesn’t make sense, I don’t know how ADI powders made i Australia can be shipped halfway around the world then put in Hodgdons bottles in the States and sold for less here. Hornady bullets selling for far more than Woodleighs, that are made there and in turn sold for less in Canada baffles me too. Premium American bullets are off the chart.

It does make me grin (often mistaken for a horrible grimace) to wonder how people will swear up and down that price equals quality would explain prices trding places around the world?
 
WL, the Australian Dollar is pegged at $.64 against the US Dollar, so your cost per projectile would be 1.5X that of a US Shooter.

Canada's Dollar is at $.71, so we pretty much feel the same pain you do.

Rack up the recent tariffs and 15% sales taxes for most Canadians, and our costs are very close.

When Covid hit, the writing was already on the wall, prices of everything were going through the roof.

Add in the rising costs of raw materials and machinery to manufacture good bullets, then the cost of operating the equipment, sales promotions, selling costs, distribution costs, as well as the cost of operating a business, keeping inventory on hand, I think we're lucky they don't cost more.

Cost of raw materials and distribution are the biggest reason for the cost of projectiles, IMHO.

The projectiles you mention have to cross oceans before they get to the Australian distribution system.

If you could pick up the projectiles from the factory, costs would be around a quarter of what you would pay if you bought in large quantities.

Anytime you factor in "human handling" the cost goes up exponentially.

Premium bullets have always been expensive when compared to wages.

You've made comments before about picking up projectiles in a willy/nilly fashion because they were available and cheaper than premium bullets.

Nothing has changed much, other than we're aging and remember when this sort of thing seemed to be much more affordable.

I was at a gunshow a few weeks ago, and the old farts were all lamenting the cost of ammo and components.

The young people, who hadn't seen the prices we were accustomed to, never batted an eyelash.
 
Yea, that hurts.

Right now I'm paying $2.50 per tip before taxes and shipping for the 450BM for the hunting tips. That is why I bought some 300 gr range fodder tips for $0.23 per tip. Makes shooting the rifle still viable, and only shooting a few of the hunting tips per year now that everything is set up.

Most hunting tips are now sitting over $1.00 here.

Cast is always an option as well!
 
I shoot cast bullets, but not in rifles I hunt with.

For instance, I have two 30-06 rifles. One of them is for practice and one for hunting.

The "practice" rifle, which is identical to the hunting rifle, other than the scope, shoots cast exclusively. The chambers on these rifles are identical, as they've been cut with the same reamer in barrels bought from the same manufacturer, in the same order. Both bbls are hammer forged and very smooth, as well as consistent.

Cast bullets in large calibre rifles are fine for hunting most of the big game species, but I'm uncomfortable with anything under 44 cal, for shots beyond 100m.

Factory ammunition, as well as hand loading, have reached a point where practice shooting is beyond the financial abilities of many hunters/shooters on marginal budget constraints.

I can't do anything about that. It's something each of us has to factor for ourselves.

Some here would consider me to be a "hoarder."

That being said, I've always laid up a stockpile of ammunition or components that IMHO, I will shoot out of a particular rifle or use in other rifles with cartridges, with similar calibres and other components.

Recently, after a few health issues, I decided I may have been a bit optimistic, so I started selling what I felt I wouldn't be using.

My prices are "fair" for today's market, but they're not "screaming deals" for the ChumLee wannabee types.

I'm never going to be hard pressed to feed my firearms with good quality ammunition.

Most shooters don't have that mindset, and some just can't afford it, even if they do.

If the war in Ukraine keeps blazing, expect prices of everything firearm related to increase way beyond the rate of "real" inflation. Don't believe the Liberal/NDP/BLOC inflation numbers.
 
Most expensive are 165gr partitions at $1.30 each (old stock) and 70gr Berger vld at about $1 each.
I don't mind too much as the partitions are only for hunting of course, but the Bergers are my long range bullet and it's starting to get a bit financially painful. I've been looking for a replacement but my rifle loves em and haven't found a bullet nearly as good.
The search continues!
 
HI... I have been a components hoarder since I was 18 (am now 66) and my dad started me loading for the 7x57. My advice is to buy more than you need. Bullets, powder and primers do not go bad. If you buy quantities for years you will soon not miss the money. And you will not see the incremental increases in prices until you buy again.
 
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Someday I would like somebody to map all this out for me. I know it happened, I just don't know why or how.
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Covid shut everything down, all around the world, factories, mines, distribution networks, etc, and had a detrimental effect on supply chains of everything.

It created the opportunity Putin needed to attack Ukraine, even though he wasn't ready, militarily, for the war that came about because of it.

He saw an opportunity for "surprise," even though he made several fients, false starts, which he claimed were "war games," until they weren't.

In doing so, the world had to scramble to start up again, in the middle of a pandemic.

By the time they realized what was going on, and the real danger presented, commodities of all types had become scarce, which in turn drove up the prices as demands increased.

I don't see prices on anything coming down, unless there is a world wide depression.

All of the world's major economies have devalued their currencies to make their National Debt affordable, along with the hopes it will encourage economic growth, which will keep up with burgeoning world populations, and they've allowed the effectiveness of their militaries to degrade.

In the past, this situation has always led to war. Whether or not they will be able to avoid it this time??????????

I was watching a well known/respected, international advisor on BBC a year ago. He stated the only reason the world wasn't plunged into a catastrophic war during Covid, was the condition, quality, and size of the US arsenals.

He stated, "When the US is no longer willing to foot the bill, or provide the equipment to deter war, or just no longer has the means to do it, everything changes."

IMHO, he hit the nail on the head. Right around that time, most of the nations around the world, at least started to build up their military reserves and look at rearming.

There's no way, civilian shooters can keep up to the demands of their nation's military, and there's no way the factories producing the components, can afford to divert production away from the military contracts.

So, combine all of that together, and there is much more to it, than there is time or room to spell it out for you here, you reach the point we're at today.
 
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