At what distance does .22 LR become non dangerous

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Most of have read the warning on the box that says .22 LR can travel over a mile.

Now we all know that to go that far the rifle must be fired at close to 45 deg.

Notwithstanding that, once the round reaches 1500 yards it only has 12 foot pds of force left.


So my question is this, at what range does .22 LR become so weak that it will not cause injury (save it was to hit someone in the eyes.

Also, does anyone know how many foot pouds are required to say penetrate in a body 6 inch and to just pierce skin.

No real reason for the question, just want to know.
 
IV8888 did a youtube video and it stays lethal for quite a while.

I am sure one of the math whiz sers on here could plot a graph for you.
 
If you drop a .22 off the CN tower it'll cut straight through you. Or maybe that's a penny..
LOL, refer to the IV8888 vid mentioned above.
 
According to Chairgun, CCI SV going at 1050fps from the muzzle will still have about 18fpe at 1,000 metres. Considering what 18fpe does to a squirrel I'd say that's still potentially fatal on a human or similarly sized animal, if it hits in a vulnerable place. 18fpe puts a JSB 18gr pellet in through the front of a grey squirrel's face and right down through the centre of the body to about the level of the lower abdomen, plus or minus a little depending on angle of impact and the way the squirrel is sitting. That's been my experience anyway. So I wouldn't want to be hit by a 40gr projectile at 18fpe, not anywhere on my body, thanks. Chairgun only goes up to 1,000, metres or yards, so won't tell me anything beyond there. But given the rate of power drop I'd guess the bullet would be unlikely to kill beyond about 1,500 metres. Still wouldn't want one in the eye of course...
 
There will be no concrete info until some brave CGN member bares his arse at 1700 yards and people start shooting , working backwards towards the shooter until one breaks the skin ! ;)
 
There will be no concrete info until some brave CGN member bares his arse at 1700 yards and people start shooting , working backwards towards the shooter until one breaks the skin ! ;)

I'd watch that. Well... keep the Stanfield's on okay? But at 1700 yards it'd have to be a very calm day. That bullet is going to go all over the place with the slightest breeze.
 
If you drop a .22 off the CN tower it'll cut straight through you. Or maybe that's a penny..

Neither will "cut straight through" a person. The decidedly unaerodynamic penny would make its way down at about 25 mph (under 40 fps), while a more aerodynamic bullet would reach about 200 mph (or about 300 fps) when dropped. The maximum velocity it achieves is the product of the air drag and the pull of gravity. It's very close to the terminal velocity of a peregrine falcon in a dive. A 40 grain bullet dropped from the CN Tower would have nearly 8.5 foot pounds of energy, probably enough to at least fracture the skull, perhaps penetrate it. If a person fell from a great height, he would reach a terminal velocity of about 150 mph (220 fps). For more details on falling bullets in the sky, see h t t p s://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm

Regarding the energy of a standard velocity .22LR bullet at 1500 yards, the following table shows that it will have a velocity of 263 fps with 6 foot pounds of energy. For comparison, a non-PAL air rifle firing a typical 8.4 grain pellet at 495 fps will produce 4.57 foot pounds of energy. There is sufficient energy in both to require great care and respect for safety.

 
I want to see someone hit steel at 1700 yards with a .22 LR, that bullet must reach 2400 feet in altitude to make it that far, how much wind do you need to account for
 
Neither will "cut straight through" a person. The decidedly unaerodynamic penny would make its way down at about 25 mph (under 40 fps), while a more aerodynamic bullet would reach about 200 mph (or about 300 fps) when dropped. The maximum velocity it achieves is the product of the air drag and the pull of gravity. It's very close to the terminal velocity of a peregrine falcon in a dive. A 40 grain bullet dropped from the CN Tower would have nearly 8.5 foot pounds of energy, probably enough to at least fracture the skull, perhaps penetrate it. If a person fell from a great height, he would reach a terminal velocity of about 150 mph (220 fps). For more details on falling bullets in the sky, see h t t p s://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm

Regarding the energy of a standard velocity .22LR bullet at 1500 yards, the following table shows that it will have a velocity of 263 fps with 6 foot pounds of energy. For comparison, a non-PAL air rifle firing a typical 8.4 grain pellet at 495 fps will produce 4.57 foot pounds of energy. There is sufficient energy in both to require great care and respect for safety.


Omg.....math at 5am. Personally, this early, im happy to keep count of the scoops going into the coffee maker.

Its really rather simple. Lefty's think cops should shoot rifles out of robbers hands, like so many ricochet in a cheesy duster. Every time someone gets hit its life threatening....in the hand....leg....backing towards the shooter in their stanfields at 1700 yards. Know your target, and beyond it.
 
Neither will "cut straight through" a person. The decidedly unaerodynamic penny would make its way down at about 25 mph (under 40 fps), while a more aerodynamic bullet would reach about 200 mph (or about 300 fps) when dropped. The maximum velocity it achieves is the product of the air drag and the pull of gravity. It's very close to the terminal velocity of a peregrine falcon in a dive. A 40 grain bullet dropped from the CN Tower would have nearly 8.5 foot pounds of energy, probably enough to at least fracture the skull, perhaps penetrate it. If a person fell from a great height, he would reach a terminal velocity of about 150 mph (220 fps). For more details on falling bullets in the sky, see h t t p s://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm

Regarding the energy of a standard velocity .22LR bullet at 1500 yards, the following table shows that it will have a velocity of 263 fps with 6 foot pounds of energy. For comparison, a non-PAL air rifle firing a typical 8.4 grain pellet at 495 fps will produce 4.57 foot pounds of energy. There is sufficient energy in both to require great care and respect for safety.


Lol.. Im referencing logic literally from pre-school lol... no one heard that story back in like '89 or '90?

Thank you though for the actual knowledge you just dropped. Pun intended.
 
Fellows

Most of have read the warning on the box that says .22 LR can travel over a mile.

Now we all know that to go that far the rifle must be fired at close to 45 deg.

Notwithstanding that, once the round reaches 1500 yards it only has 12 foot pds of force left.

So my question is this, at what range does .22 LR become so weak that it will not cause injury (save it was to hit someone in the eyes.

Also, does anyone know how many foot pouds are required to say penetrate in a body 6 inch and to just pierce skin.

No real reason for the question, just want to know.

A 40 gr projectile fired from a firearm at typical velocities will normally be dangerous throughout its entire flight path.

Now if you fired it straight up, when on the way down it will achieve only the maximum terminal velocity described by grauhanen, and will still be dangerous.

The criminal code definition of firearm is a barreled weapon from which a shot can be fired that is capable of causing serious bodily harm or death. Permanent damage to the eye has long been considered serious bodily harm. To determine whether any projectile, given its combination of mass, velocity and construction, researchers developed the pigs eye test. Pigs eyes were chosen for their biological similarity to human eyes. You can read alot about results of this type of testing. Some air soft guns fail the test (by causing damage to the eyes) with velocities under 350 fps with 6mm airsoft pellets that weigh as little as 3 grains.

Further, While all devices capable of causing serious bodily harm are firearms under s 2 of the criminal code, there is a second threshold to be met, and firearms falling below that threshold are exempt from most of our gun control laws.

That Threshold is 500 fps or 4.2 foot pounds. IF a firearm exceeds both of those limits, then falls within the full spectrum of regulations under the criminal code, ie licensing, registration, etc.

The important thing is that even well out past a mile, a .22 bullet can easily still have more than 4.2 ft lbs of energy, so yes, still very dangerous. Probably not lethal, but that isn't really the standard that we concern ourselves with.

As for your last question, how much energy necessary to penetrate 6" into the body. There is no answer to that question until you define what body. 6" of fat is not the same as 6" of muscle and is not the same as 6" of bone. This is why we use ballistic gelatin as a consistent medium with an average density comparable to soft tissue.

If you drop a .22 off the CN tower it'll cut straight through you. Or maybe that's a penny..
LOL, refer to the IV8888 vid mentioned above.

Probably not. Would hurt though.

Will a .22 even reach a mile?

Most definitely yes.
 
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