ATI turning your 10/22 take-down into a friggin AK!...
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Issc MK22 and the GSG 5 are the same firearm internally. The GSG 5 is prohib. The way it's classified doesn't make sense. This looks like an AK and can be ( according to their logic) considered an AK variant.
(Edit)****I understand that the ATI Stock is just a stock and not a firearm. As such will not be prohibited, as it will remain a 10/22 after the install of the stock. What I should have said was that it will not stop some officers from believing that it's an AK variant, and cause people a world of hurt. ( yes that's me back pedaling a little). I understand the firearms laws (as best I can)and I have a copy of the FA at my desk and at home. Having said that, I won't put it past the lab to classify the stock as a prohib based on looks. *********
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For crying out loud its a rifle stock. Just like a tapco stock doesn't make an sks a restricted AR because of the collapsible stock.
For those that actually want to take the time to figure out the cause of why some guns are deemed variants, it isn't that difficult to figure out.
(1) Just because a cop says something, that does not make it the law.
(2) That cop is an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Bullpup stocks are prohibited devices under SOR/98 462, which reads:
"2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the “bull-pup” design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position."
The stock itself is a prohibited device, the 10/22 you put in it is not.
Meanwhile, variants of the AK-47 are banned pursuant to the same regulation, the relevant portion of which reads:
"The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles"
Hence, the bullpup stocks are banned because they are a stock which themselves is a prohibited device, while a dress up kit which changes the appearance of a firearm (but not the firearm), is not. Since it will still be a 10/22 after you put the stock on, and not an AK-47, the kit will not be prohib.
The GSG is a FIREARM. This is a dress up kit. The GSG is banned because the same SOR reads:
" The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them"
Hence, from their logic (which I think is faulty), the GSG is a firearm, it looks like an MP-5, therefore its a prohib. However, this is NOT A FIREARM. Hence, the prohibition doesn't apply.
(1) Just because a cop says something, that does not make it the law.
(2) That cop is an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Bullpup stocks are prohibited devices under SOR/98 462, which reads:
"2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the “bull-pup” design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position."
The stock itself is a prohibited device, the 10/22 you put in it is not.
Meanwhile, variants of the AK-47 are banned pursuant to the same regulation, the relevant portion of which reads:
"The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles"
Hence, the bullpup stocks are banned because they are a stock which themselves is a prohibited device, while a dress up kit which changes the appearance of a firearm (but not the firearm), is not. Since it will still be a 10/22 after you put the stock on, and not an AK-47, the kit will not be prohib.
The GSG is a FIREARM. This is a dress up kit. The GSG is banned because the same SOR reads:
" The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them"
Hence, from their logic (which I think is faulty), the GSG is a firearm, it looks like an MP-5, therefore its a prohib. However, this is NOT A FIREARM. Hence, the prohibition doesn't apply.
Canadian_Zuk
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if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,
its an ak47,
I would bet that this stock never comes here....any takers?
Sure, I'll take a piece of that action. PM your terms.
jester3006
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As soon as you guys get it, I'll be getting one for sure.
Dont worry, we will be bringing in LOTS! When they get close, we will be announcing & getting a preorder list to sort distribution out. These are very authentic looking kits, i like them. Now we just need to work on getting MP5 kits....
We will know more when the prototypes are in production, but likely will fit both.
hey
what are you looking for the classification of the stock or availability..I have the 10/22 with an ati ar22 stock and no complaints here..use it in the back yard just as I would old wooden stock.
if your looking to get one my advise though make sure you get extra hand guard rail same time as I'm having a tough time locating a local dealer who carries them..
if I remember cabela's barrie has the stocks
what are you looking for the classification of the stock or availability..I have the 10/22 with an ati ar22 stock and no complaints here..use it in the back yard just as I would old wooden stock.
if your looking to get one my advise though make sure you get extra hand guard rail same time as I'm having a tough time locating a local dealer who carries them..
if I remember cabela's barrie has the stocks
Hical, any word yet from ATI about these kits??
