ATRS Eliminator

So here is a slightly noobish and kinda off topic question. since we can't hunt with ar's I use them for 3gun matches. the point there is to get as many shots on target accurately as fast as possible. to this end a muzzle brake helps tame the little recoil a .223 has and you can shoot faster...

A flash hider only helps control the flash, has anyone found that shooting outdoors in normal light that the flash has been a distraction? Does a flash hider help you shoot "faster". Or is it just helpful for indoor use and/or directing noise downrange so people next to you don't get pissed off at your loud obnoxiouse fun times?

Basically I know they are two different animals and I'm trying to figure out where the advantage is for one over the other and if that changes based on intended use?
 
DILLIGAF said:
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What a sweetheart! You'd best remind her about that trigger finger though!
 
VanIsler said:
He obviously didn't watch the video posted above.
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The video that didn't use any of the flash hiders that he mentioned? How is that relevant?

It certainly is impressive from watching the video, however, if I wanted to show how impressive my flash hider design was I'd compare it to other flash hiders, not muzzle breaks that increase flash. As far as I can tell the only other device used that claims to reduce flash was the Spex, and it did perform extremely well against it. I'm in no way knocking the Eliminator, looks like an outstanding flash hider, just wondering how it performs in relation to other designs that also excel in reducing flash.

Now I understand that a lot of flash hider designs are no longer importable into Canada due to ITAR restrictions and this is the reason ATRS gives for not using them in the video. I have a Smith Vortex and Phantom 5C1, maybe I should loan them to him for his next vid.
 
Leg said:
The video that didn't use any of the flash hiders that he mentioned? How is that relevant?

It certainly is impressive from watching the video, however, if I wanted to show how impressive my flash hider design was I'd compare it to other flash hiders, not muzzle breaks that increase flash. As far as I can tell the only other device used that claims to reduce flash was the Spex, and it did perform extremely well against it. I'm in no way knocking the Eliminator, looks like an outstanding flash hider, just wondering how it performs in relation to other designs that also excel in reducing flash.

Now I understand that a lot of flash hider designs are no longer importable into Canada due to ITAR restrictions and this is the reason ATRS gives for not using them in the video. I have a Smith Vortex and Phantom 5C1, maybe I should loan them to him for his next vid.
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I recently obtained through fellow nut a Smith Vortex flash hider. I am TOTALLY up for anyone who has something else who will lend it to us, to run it head to head with our creation. Not for an instant am I afraid that there may be other flash hiders that work well, maybe even better. The video we shot was with what we had at the time and was not intended to suggest that muzzle brakes were flash hiders, hence using our own brake, which IS a fire belching bit of kit but it was NOT designed for flash just for muzzle control at which it excels at as well.

I would really like to know how our Eliminator stacks up against other flash hiding devices. So the offer is open to anyone who would lend us a competitors flash hider with 1/2 x 28 TPI. Lend it to us, we will shoot another video. Guaranteed you will get your device back.


ndb86 Some of the 3 gun scenarios (at least where we shoot 3 gun) start with shots being taken from either well shaded areas or open sided buildings, so to have a large fireball obscure your target makes follow up shots more difficult. To not have a large flash is very helpful in any low light condition. In broad daylight it makes little difference other than for close shots you have less worry about lighting up the target.
 
I'm really trying to decide what FH/Brake to throw on my KAC SR15. Even harder after watching the test video. I don't want stupid loud but I want the benefits of a brake. I like how effective the ATRS Eliminator is but don't dig the size (No offense Rick) especially on a SR-15 with a few inches of barrel sticking out past the rails.
 
DMeNTED said:
Pictures of one disassembled?
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Pictures available on ATRS's website. They are, if I am not mistaken, a two piece (cone and tube) design with the cone welded into the end of the tube (other end is the thread) so it cannot be disassembled (well you can unscrew it from the gun :p)
 
chemo said:
i wonder if the inside void fills with powder residue. I have no idea how I'd clean that
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If you are shooting a ton of really dirty ammo, spin if off and spray the inside with Wipe out foaming bore cleaner, leave it in for a hour of so and wash it out.

We have 1 of our guns on loan at Calgary Shooting Center that has our Eliminator flash hider on it, it has been there over 6 months and is shot daily.
I would hate to even guess how many rounds it has on it, it is on the 2nd barrel however and there has been no problem with the flash hider getting plugged up with crud from the ammo. I know they are not running the gun on clean match type ammo for obvious reasons.

I have about 2000 rounds through the very first 1 we built as it is on my personal rifle and I have yet to take it off for cleaning.
 
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