ATRS Modern Sporter - Nov 30th : New video, Post 482

Brianma65 said:
So , on my invoice, it has my name, Rpal # and serial #.

How would this be any different than a back door regestry?
All my info is already being collected by ATRS, and for accounting purposes,don’t they need to keep this info on file for 7 years?

I’m not insinuating that ATRS is keeping records for anything, other than accounting purposes.
But in all reality, it’s not difficult for the government to find out where these sets went.

Now ,what you do with them once you get them, that’s another story.
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Simple. ALL of our invoices and accounting records will require a warrant to look through.
ALL firearms transactions must be kept forever. IF a business shuts down their firearms records must be forwarded to the CFO. These are conditions that are spelled out on all business licenses.

During registry days we all had books to maintain that were provided by the RCMp and the front cover clearly stated it was property of the RCMp, so no warrant was required. This still exists for Restricted transfers.

Given the total lack of transparency this regime has, no-one really knows yet what will be required. We do know that in order to release a firearm we will need to call the CFC and obtain a transfer authorization number. What other info they will request the feds are not saying, but I would assume we will have to record all the details and transfer authorization number in a book that if I understand the wording on C71 correctly will mean any LE agent can request access to at any time.
 
yohann160 said:
Are there still slick side sets available? What is the ETA for delivery?
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Being as we have not even started on them, yes they will be available for order. At this time we are concentrating solely on lowers, but once we get closer to the end of the lowers will be contacting everyone who has ordered a lower to see what they prefer in so far as upper style and quantity.
We expect to start releasing the lowers late September early October and the slick side uppers we expect to be shipping just before the end of this year. The F/A uppers will go into production once we have the SS uppers done so I would expect we should start to deliver them in late March or early April.
 
yohann160 said:
Are there still slick side sets available? What is the ETA for delivery?
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We have made the decision to increase the number of available receivers for sale based off of a few factors.

1. Production is moving ahead very well, with very few set backs or delays.
2. We have received significant interest, and most importantly,
3. Material was available immediately so no delays to be incurred waiting around, which is the worst thing for productivity.

With that being said, this does not increase wait times for either lowers or uppers for customers who have already ordered.

Serial numbers up to 200 are now being sold.
 
As requested... the Modern Sporter shooting.


On a side note: Don't diss the tactical-hoodie reloads! It'll be the next big thing in 3 gun I'm telling you!
 
robab said:
Shaun, are you still projecting shipping the lowers in Sept ?
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Yes, Lowers should start shipping around Mid September, not every lower will be out the door in September of course, but we're making great progress on them and the first ones are going up for anodizing this week.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Simple. ALL of our invoices and accounting records will require a warrant to look through.
ALL firearms transactions must be kept forever. IF a business shuts down their firearms records must be forwarded to the CFO. These are conditions that are spelled out on all business licenses.

During registry days we all had books to maintain that were provided by the RCMp and the front cover clearly stated it was property of the RCMp, so no warrant was required. This still exists for Restricted transfers.

Given the total lack of transparency this regime has, no-one really knows yet what will be required. We do know that in order to release a firearm we will need to call the CFC and obtain a transfer authorization number. What other info they will request the feds are not saying, but I would assume we will have to record all the details and transfer authorization number in a book that if I understand the wording on C71 correctly will mean any LE agent can request access to at any time.
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Will you have other dealers carry the MV receiver sets?
 
jiffx2781 said:
Although other dealers carrying your product can mean greater exposure and "possibly" increased sales of your product doesn't more fingers in the pie usually mean that prices have to go up to ensure an adequate profit margin for everyone who has their fingers in that pie??

Some dealers out there are subpar in comparison to you guys. I'd rather source your product directly from you than deal with a middle man who would refer me back to you if anything needed addressed anyways.

Just my .02
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yes in order to offer dealer pricing we would need to increase price overall as there simply is not enough profit in these to make it worthwhile for another dealer to sell and survive on. This is 1 concern, the major concern is that having dealers can really complicate things as witnessed in your recent thread.
We can get into plenty of trouble all by ourselves, I don't think we need help in that department.
We do have a couple of dealers who have represented us well over the years with our rings, rails and accessories, so before I simply close this door I want to talk further with our dealers to get their input as well.
Your points are well taken!
 
jiffx2781 said:
Lol! That got me into a bit of trouble as well. I have to play nice for a while after that :d


I do think you're safe to explore the idea of involving reputable dealers that you are already in good relations with and I don't foresee you having the same problems that I just encountered with the "other" guys because I know that you won't let an inferior product exit your door.

The problem lies in the fact that the reputation and business practices of the dealers chosen to be involved ultimately points back at you.

Choose dealers wisely from good past and/or present relations and I don't see it getting anyone into any trouble.

Decide to put product on anyone's shelves who is willing to sell it and that's where it gets complicated.

I know you'll make the decision that's right for you.
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Having any person not related to a manufacturing company directly but representing said company indirectly is always a concern.
We have been approached to sponsor many shooters over the years, the problem is is that some guys are rock stars all the time ( thanks Jeff, Dustin, Greg, Ryan and Robyn) and others forget whose name is on the jersey they are wearing and negative behavior can ensue after a few wobbly pops. The problem is most people do not take into account that we are merely sponsors, not the individuals acting out, but we still get the stink rubbed off on us by association. This has happened to some very prominent figures within the shooting fraternity.

The same can happen with having dealers who are acting agents. We had some product in another shop a few years ago and I heard from several long term clients who also frequented that shop that we were being bad mouthed in order to help sell the brands that they made more profit on. I pulled our guns and products shortly after having this confirmed.

Not all decisions are easy, so the going with other dealers to sell our products is one I will ponder on for a while.
 
We have worked out a deal with Red Deer Shooting Center as a dealer for our products. They have carried our line of accessories for several years so it seemed a natural progression for them to also carry our Modern Sporter uppers and lowers.
They have 1 of the Modern Sporter rifles on hand now, it is an pre production unit but fully functional and can be test driven.
The only difference between this rifle and the production versions is the material used on this 1 is 6061, the production units are all 7075.
 
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