ATRS MV-S “Sporter” - Stripped “AR” Non-Restricted Reciever
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onetwentyish
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- East Central AB (AKA Northern Texas)
Can you make it ambi like the LWRC lower? Pretty please Rick?
MV lowers are already ambi, and dont have a stupid ping pong paddle bolt release on the right side, instead they feature a well designed integrated bolt release button on the right side that is easy to press with your trigger finger.
Copy of the POF REVOLUTION Gen 4? Would be nice and sell like hotcakes.
But I believe Rick already said he had no plans to re do th MH line like the MV-S is to the MV.
I would buy a 308 hybrid AR-15, I would even pay in full even if the wait was many years (provided there is a delivery date)
I don't take that the wrong way. I'm glad you're doing it right this time. The issue wasn't with announcing anything before the FRT was confirmed it was with advertising for sale as non restricted before the official non restricted FRT was provided. There's a big difference between the two. Again, glad to be validated and you realize that if it's worth doing something it's worth doing it right. I wish you the best of luck with this product and do hope you get a non restricted FRT.
Competition is always a good thing for the consumer. These are good times!!
I don't see why they would do that. If the sporter is their stripped low budget takes AR parts version that is competing in price vs the newest offerings, then why would they want to gut their MV sales? If they offer the same features and more compatibility, then they won't be selling many if any of the original versions. Likely they make a lot more profit selling complete rifles compared to stripped upper/lowers. I hope I'm wrong, because I like ambi options as well. But I just don't see it as being realistic. Unless this becomes the new Modern Varminter and is the only 223 product. Again I don't see that happening. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Exciting times for firearm owners!
I think the gutting of MV sales is going to happen regardless because of the competition coming out with Canadian made NR options.
If there is one thing I know better than anything, it's that the vast majority of Canadian gun owners buy the cheapest no matter what.
True to a point. but I think they need to keep the MV for the below reasons. At least for the time being...
The main competition right now is the Maccabee SLR and it's not ambi. Also it has a weird screw system for the upper/lower. If ATRS makes a non ambi sporter version with a regular take down system and some minor stuff like the tortion pin for upper/lower fit then they are good to go. Match price and they have a better product with the main benefit being a normal take down. That would be the selling point to me. This would definitely take the bulk of the sales.
Then you keep the "high end" option as the MV. This forum has shown that there are many who justify the high price as the best etc. Even if the evidence is contrary to that belief. So there are those willing to pay for what they consider high end. Plus if they make the Sporter the main firearm then those previous customers will get ticked off. Last but not least, I would suspect the oil/gas sector are a staple for them and you don't want to alienate them as they generally have more money than time and will buy the expensive stuff when times are good.
Will be interesting to see how they tackle this. Do they keep the complete current MV version and then fade it out with options and complete builds on the sporter version or do they run both in parallel with features being the distinguishing points?
Of course the fly in the ointment is what BCL has up their sleeves. There have been rumours of a 223 product in development. If their 102 is any indication, they will have a feature rich product with ambi features. But... who knows how long or if that will materialize.
This new competition actually is very significant for Canadian Firearm owners. The AR can do pretty much anything. But not in Canada because it's restricted. Well... that's about to change.
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I bought the MV because it was the closest to an AR,that was available at the time.
And I’m happy, the quest has ended.
High end or price had nothing to do with it.
I did go a bit overboard with a CFW barrel and a KAC URX 4 hand guard.
I’ve done some ballpark questimates
and I could build the same rifle for $3500, with the Macdef or the MV sporter( if it’s in at $1000$.
So if the MV goes to Sh!t because of the sporter model, I’m going to lose a few bucks on resale.
About $1500 ... Ha ha
But what ya gonna do
At least I’m shooting
And I’m happy, the quest has ended.
High end or price had nothing to do with it.
I did go a bit overboard with a CFW barrel and a KAC URX 4 hand guard.
I’ve done some ballpark questimates
and I could build the same rifle for $3500, with the Macdef or the MV sporter( if it’s in at $1000$.So if the MV goes to Sh!t because of the sporter model, I’m going to lose a few bucks on resale.
About $1500 ... Ha ha
But what ya gonna do
At least I’m shooting
Clearly you can’t see what else is going on with the lower.
I can see the sport taking all of the varminter sales. They should abandon the MV and focus on the Sporter. What would you rather buy; a gun with proprietary parts or something you can use almost any AR-15 part for?
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I had a good laugh at this. I don’t think onetwentyish knows that on the LWRC it is not just a bolt release. And you can use it to lock the bolt open as well.
Exactly, so you don’t have to use a bad lever.
Never use a BAD lever, worst thing to ever come out of the Magpul factory. Phase 5 EBR is a far superior product.
I bought the MV because it was the closest to an AR,that was available at the time.
And I’m happy, the quest has ended.
High end or price had nothing to do with it.
I did go a bit overboard with a CFW barrel and a KAC URX 4 hand guard.
I’ve done some ballpark questimates
So if the MV goes to Sh!t because of the sporter model, I’m going to lose a few bucks on resale.
About $1500 ... Ha ha
But what ya gonna do
At least I’m shooting
Same I got the varminter cause it was closest thing to an AR. The same build with a $1000 receiver will be about 1k cheaper. I think the modern varminter and hunter are done the bcl and slr just allow more flexibility.
I thought the slr allows ambi safety, mag release and charging handle.
Same build? Matched receivers and hand fitted parts and side charger? Don't forget that a portion of the cost of the MV and MH is the labor to assemble it, you can't really just take the price of the parts alone, while I and many others don't put a price on my time when doing this type of stuff as it's a hobby to do in our free time, assembly at the shop is pricey.
I don't think ATRS has anything to worry about with sales of the MV or MH once these other products come to market. There aren't that many people who are willing to build their own which is obvious by the sales of AR's new and used over the years. The option to build has always been there yet many guys would rather just buy a complete rifle. In the big picture you don't save a lot of money building yourself if you actually use parts of equal quality, so the receiver sets still only appeal to a certain percentage of the community. Now, I'm sure that the NR sticker may sway a few more guys but I still think there will still be a strong market for complete rifles.
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True enough, I don’t think I’d want to build an expensive AR, not as my first one.
So I’m not sure how long it takes or what the cost is, for the shop to build one ,is.
And you can’t compare the BLC or the macdef to the MV.
From what I’ve been reading, one has its issues and the other isn’t even out there yet.
So to make a better comparison, I’d need to buy a complete assembled Mac def , with a CFW barrel and a URX 4 handguard.
So I’m not sure how long it takes or what the cost is, for the shop to build one ,is.
And you can’t compare the BLC or the macdef to the MV.
From what I’ve been reading, one has its issues and the other isn’t even out there yet.
So to make a better comparison, I’d need to buy a complete assembled Mac def , with a CFW barrel and a URX 4 handguard.
