ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV

I think the jist of it is this: the FRT changes don't hold water since everyone's got a copy of the "old" FRTs everywhere; and, as mentioned, it's a reference point but not a legal document.

Once a court hears of these changes and someone shows up with a document that says "not a variant of" from the same system, it's about done there and then.

You can't post a speed limit of 55km, leave the sign up but secretly change it to 25km and start ticketing people for it. Obvious though not unexpected overstep. Remember the RCMP was ORDERED to publish the FRT and still they tried this offline/online dual version crap. Insofar as I'm aware, judges hate that.

Hopefully you are right.
 
Hope so too - but don't poke the bear! Just be discrete for now I think until the dust settles. And there will be a day for reckoning for all parties involved.
 
You do not need to get arrested to have a court case.

Just take the NR receiver and call in to change it to R with a short barrel. if they refuse, take registrar to court and there you can demonstrate it is not a prohib and therefore they need to give you the R certificate. Obviously the system won't allow them to do it with a Prohib FRT so they will have to change the FRT to NR so they can then issue an R.

There you have the court case without anyone getting arrested.
 
You do not need to get arrested to have a court case.

Just take the NR receiver and call in to change it to R with a short barrel. if they refuse, take registrar to court and there you can demonstrate it is not a prohib and therefore they need to give you the R certificate. Obviously the system won't allow them to do it with a Prohib FRT so they will have to change the FRT to NR so they can then issue an R.

There you have the court case without anyone getting arrested.

I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
You do not need to get arrested to have a court case.

Just take the NR receiver and call in to change it to R with a short barrel. if they refuse, take registrar to court and there you can demonstrate it is not a prohib and therefore they need to give you the R certificate. Obviously the system won't allow them to do it with a Prohib FRT so they will have to change the FRT to NR so they can then issue an R.

There you have the court case without anyone getting arrested.

Exactly...
 
Any volunteers? Lol
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I really like these rifles. But I dont have the scratch to drop that much on something that may get added to "the list". I would like to donate to the cause to support you guys so I'll be able to get one in the future. Is there somewhere to do this? Did I miss a link?
 
I have a 50% deposit on a set.

I’m game if ATRS wants to give me a set for that,and someone wants to cover all experiences..
 
You do not need to get arrested to have a court case.

Just take the NR receiver and call in to change it to R with a short barrel. if they refuse, take registrar to court and there you can demonstrate it is not a prohib and therefore they need to give you the R certificate. Obviously the system won't allow them to do it with a Prohib FRT so they will have to change the FRT to NR so they can then issue an R.

There you have the court case without anyone getting arrested.

Great point.
 
Contacted the Alberta Fire Arms office today to check my equipment and compare the public FRT with the live hidden one. This is what I was told:
Modern Hunter - prohibited. Does not matter if the public FRT and my paper work state Non Restricted. I responded that it was my hunting rifle and my FRT stated it was not a varient of the AR10/15 platform. They responded with because the rifle had tactical in the name, it was flagged. I also inquired if the FRT was law, they didn’t answer that question but said if I was caught Ising it I could be arrested and charged. I was also told that all “tactical type” rifles are under review and anyone with a PAL will be getting a letter in the mail stating that with the ongoing changes it will be in our best interest to call the chief fire arms office to see if our property has been recently changed.

There you go. We will need to call in and ask if we can use our own property.... and this was the Alberta..... even Quebec seems more reasonable. .
 
Contacted the Alberta Fire Arms office today to check my equipment and compare the public FRT with the live hidden one. This is what I was told:
Modern Hunter - prohibited. Does not matter if the public FRT and my paper work state Non Restricted. I responded that it was my hunting rifle and my FRT stated it was not a varient of the AR10/15 platform. They responded with because the rifle had tactical in the name, it was flagged. I also inquired if the FRT was law, they didn’t answer that question but said if I was caught Ising it I could be arrested and charged. I was also told that all “tactical type” rifles are under review and anyone with a PAL will be getting a letter in the mail stating that with the ongoing changes it will be in our best interest to call the chief fire arms office to see if our property has been recently changed.

There you go. We will need to call in and ask if we can use our own property.... and this was the Alberta..... even Quebec seems more reasonable. .

I guess that's one way of tracking down the non restricted guns out there.
 
Why not? Maybe we should ALL call them EVERY DAY.. ask them what changed from the day before. Tie them up on the phone instead of changing the table.
 
Why not? Maybe we should ALL call them EVERY DAY.. ask them what changed from the day before. Tie them up on the phone instead of changing the table.

They'll first ask to confirm your PAL (flag you on the computer); then ask what model you're inquiring about (x2 flag); then send a peace officer around to collect it in time. Don't call. Don't volunteer.
 
They'll first ask to confirm your PAL (flag you on the computer); then ask what model you're inquiring about (x2 flag); then send a peace officer around to collect it in time. Don't call. Don't volunteer.

Of course this would be you checking to ensure that a firearm you are looking to potentially acquire isn't on the naughty list......

If it is you can ask them why as it doesn't seem too "assaulty" (play stupid and make them squirm a little while they try to explain) then say "Well, shucks I guess I wont be doing that then and making a criminal out of myself!"

If it isn't (you could ask about some pretty tame firearm, ie a single shot 22 or similar) then you could ask "Do you think this will be added - I dont think its full semi auto or any of that assault stuff?". Let them explain and squirm a little then say "Oh, I dunno, I think I best not until all the criminals hand in their assault stuff"
 
Ohh, they forgot to mention in the press conference and the OIC that word “tactical” was prohibitited as well. Must have been a Monday morning when they cooked up this bunch of garbage... new guy just “phoned it in.”

I just read the NOTIC OF APPLICATION document that the CCFR released. I wouldn’t want to be the Governor General or the RCMP At this point. IMO the document builds a pretty compelling argument and shows what looks like a complete lack of due diligence on the behalf of the government. It really hammers home some very key points. I’m looking forward to future updates.
 
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