ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV
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PinaKaleada
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If you make the assumption that this second round of ban conveniently bundles the SLR/ATRS with the AR looking shotguns, then this could be based on "looks/style" more than the "variant" aspect of it.
The "looks/style" and "variant" are different things, especially with all the technical work that has been done with regards to determining what is a "variant" and what isn't. They clearly had the ability to determine what looks like an AR, and what is a variant of an AR. There's no mistake about this.
A "modified" version would be even more of a stretch as modify would need the original, and changes done to it (lineage). If ATRS is able to show(or already have), that their MH/MV/MS were developed from the ground up without borrowing any dimensions from the AR15, but only dimensions extracted from the unregulated parts (i.e. bolts, trigger pins, barrel nut, 1913 rail etc), then I can't see how you could say MH/MV/MS were modified from the AR15 itself. If I make fixture holding an AR15 barrel, which allows me to insert a round and lock it with the bolt, capable of firing if I hit the firing pin really hard, have I created a modified AR15?
Best they could say is that because it uses the AR15 action, therefore it is a variant. I don't know of any precedent based on this. Everything classified as AR15 variant was either upper fitting on AR15 lower (Like the DA50), or even if it didn't fit a standard AR15 lower, the manufacture explicitly says it's developed from the AR15/M16(Original MR223, which didn't fit standard AR15 lowers but was developed from it, or a variant of the HK416)
What I fear the most is the second round of OIC. If there's a second, there can be a third and fourth. For the short term, if the OIC is a one time thing to earn the liberals political points, at least some of these designed can be spared for now.
The "looks/style" and "variant" are different things, especially with all the technical work that has been done with regards to determining what is a "variant" and what isn't. They clearly had the ability to determine what looks like an AR, and what is a variant of an AR. There's no mistake about this.
A "modified" version would be even more of a stretch as modify would need the original, and changes done to it (lineage). If ATRS is able to show(or already have), that their MH/MV/MS were developed from the ground up without borrowing any dimensions from the AR15, but only dimensions extracted from the unregulated parts (i.e. bolts, trigger pins, barrel nut, 1913 rail etc), then I can't see how you could say MH/MV/MS were modified from the AR15 itself. If I make fixture holding an AR15 barrel, which allows me to insert a round and lock it with the bolt, capable of firing if I hit the firing pin really hard, have I created a modified AR15?
Best they could say is that because it uses the AR15 action, therefore it is a variant. I don't know of any precedent based on this. Everything classified as AR15 variant was either upper fitting on AR15 lower (Like the DA50), or even if it didn't fit a standard AR15 lower, the manufacture explicitly says it's developed from the AR15/M16(Original MR223, which didn't fit standard AR15 lowers but was developed from it, or a variant of the HK416)
What I fear the most is the second round of OIC. If there's a second, there can be a third and fourth. For the short term, if the OIC is a one time thing to earn the liberals political points, at least some of these designed can be spared for now.
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The government/RCMP should be responsible for damages in either scenario
I second this
The RCMP needs to be held accountable for these actions, this is the second time they did this like back when they posted new gun laws before they were even law on their website. How can this organization act outside the government?
It would be hard to prove who pushed the button to make the change on the frt so it would be hard to lay blame anyone in particular.
For all intents and purposes... no.
I guess we'll find out eh?
Being metis I have no treaty given hunting rights in BC whereas first nations do. However , S35 of the constitution is an umbrella for indigenous peoples.
Not sure how the boots on the ground, front line peace officers are going to interpret the intent of S35 "and" Trudeau's OIC stating indigenous people are exempt.
I don't trust any of em at this point. That is not going to change the fact that I will be hunting every chance I get with a rifle that was approved by the rcmp in 2018 for sale to Canadians as a non restricted sporting rifle.
regardless, I intend to support the fight against the criminal party any way and every where I am able.
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Thank you!! We ARE in the process of launching several actions against the government. More to follow in another thread once I have more I can share. We will be setting up a gofundme account shortly but I want folks to know what we will be launching, at least enough info to make an informed choice on supporting the action.
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Yes many notifications have been sent out as recently as yesterday and we are continuing to ship as orders are ready.
jonnyboy1014
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I like it
You guys into November for shipping? Also if I bought an upper today, would it be legal and good to go? Real shame about all this, will definitely contribute to a legal challenge. Not fair that good Western businesses are being stomped on by the Laurentian elite.
