Att/ltatt Problem With Cfc

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Okey dokey smokey,

So; I took the course for my PAL/RPAL, received it, purchased firearms, joined a shooting range.

Then I purchased a pistol.

I called the CFC to get my LTATT and was informed that I had to "do that" through my pistol club.

I called the firing range I had joined and was informed that the pistol clubs are separate organizations I'd have to join, that I'd have to take a course mandated by the gov't on how to hold/load/shoot a gun. Then I'd have to attend a certain amount of weekly meetings of the pistol club to convince them .... whatever, anyway he says they just got tired of people showing up once, and then never again for the five years.

So, this process could take months for me. I shoot target airguns daily, but only can get the powderburner range out of town sporadically. (I'm in a wheelchair and transportation is sketchy)

So, I've been wondering....Can I just apply for the normal ATT's over and over and over again?

How long ahead can I apply? Should I be applying for a single day for each short term ATT?

And what's up with this new "LTATT course" anyway, I never heard anything about that when I took my RPAL?
 
In Ontario you will not be issued a short-term ATT to go to the range and shoot your guns.

You will have to take the club course and have your club apply on your behalf. Hopefully your club runs regular courses and submits the ATT applications quickly and often like mine.
 
Transporting and using prohibited firearms or restricted firearms

19. (1) An individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized to transport a particular prohibited firearm or restricted firearm between two or more specified places for any good and sufficient reason, including, without restricting the generality of the foregoing,

(a) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under specified conditions or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29;


Hmm, well, I think I'll try anyway, and go before a judge if they deny me; because my reading of the statute says OR under the auspices of a shooting club...and any good and sufficient reason

I guess I just better apply in writing.

I mean...I fully intend to do the course, I just think it's foolish and I'd like the beleive the law is there to serve me, not to act as a barrier to my enjoyment of my lawful sporting activity, plus I'm sure to learn something, and put last years law course to some good use (I'm a university student).

Reference to judge of refusal to issue or revocation, etc.

74. (1) Subject to subsection (2), where

(a) a chief firearms officer or the Registrar refuses to issue or revokes a licence, registration certificate, authorization to transport, authorization to export or authorization to import,

(b) a chief firearms officer decides under section 67 that a firearm possessed by an individual who holds a licence is not being used for a purpose described in section 28, or

(c) a provincial minister refuses to approve or revokes the approval of a shooting club or shooting range for the purposes of this Act,

the applicant for or holder of the licence, registration certificate, authorization or approval may refer the matter to a provincial court judge in the territorial division in which the applicant or holder resides.

Limitation period

(2) An applicant or holder may only refer a matter to a provincial court judge under subsection (1) within thirty days after receiving notice of the decision of the chief firearms officer, Registrar or provincial minister under section 29, 67 or 72 or within such further time as is allowed by a provincial court judge, whether before or after the expiration of those thirty days.
1995, c. 39, s. 74; 2003, c. 8, s. 47.
 
I will. I'll try to keep you up to date, either in this thread or in legalese.

So, what's the course given by the pistol club guys actually called, anyway? I didn't read anything about it in the textbooks given by the instructor when I took my PAL's and he never mentioned it.
 
As you are aware, the club applies for the ATT on your behalf. Two members of the club executive must sign off on the application, stating that you have demonstrated competence. The procedure varies from club to club, but basically the club is not going to support your application unless you have gone through the process that the club has established.
 
tiriaq said:
As you are aware, the club applies for the ATT on your behalf. Two members of the club executive must sign off on the application, stating that you have demonstrated competence.
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I don't want to join a club in my area as of yet, I already belong to a firing range, and I demonstrated my competence to the federal government who issued me my RPAL. Is the ONT CFO allowed to add to the requirements on their own?

If there is a club membership requirement for pistol use, then it should be in the firearms act, if it isn't .....

I want to know that I am required by law; before I get bullied into something I don't want to do. I like shooting alone, I'm able to concentrate much better.

I found the ATT application online, and I'll look over it again, but I didn't see anything that would indicate I need anyones signature but my own.

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/PDFs/679_e.pdf
 
i have been doing the same thing (rpal course,gunclub,first pistol shopping) the last couple months, you seem to be getting jerked around. all i had to do was join a gun club,there was no additional course (money grab).you would think it would be a canada wide standard if you had to take it. did you try a different club maybe it is just an in house thing?

or move out of ont!! good luck
 
"...Is the ONT CFO allowed to..." Yep. The Socialist F**ks gave the administration of the FA to the CPFO's. They get to make the regulations. Being required to belong to a club, doing the club safety course and the club sponsoring you for the ATT is nothing new either. It's been 'policy' in Ontario for eons. In effect they're making law by regulation. Their theory is that since you can't shoot restricted firearms anywhere but at an approved range, you don't need an ATT if you don't belong to a club. It's not law and never has been.
Mind you, I wouldn't pay for a club level safety course. That's what membership fees are for.
 
Well, the course is free, but I'll apply on tuesday, and if they deny me, we'll see what a judge has to say.

I'm patient.

It is unfortunate though, that the ombudsmans office in ontario has no jurisdiction over the MUSH sector (municipal, university school and hospital) that most police agencies fall under.

I wonder if they have jurisdiction over the CFO's office?
 
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