Attempted Fraud - Phoney PAL

OkayShooter said:
There's a huge disconnect between organizations. But if they don't care about fake or stolen PALs. Then that's a problem.

It reminds me of the whole Microsoft email with the single use code. Saying if you did not request it, don't worry someone may accidentally put in my email. Or they tried to hack my account.
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There are plenty of organizations that care, it just needs to be provided to those folks, which can be disjointed.

If this was in my jurisdiction I would work it 100%.
 
Deathrawt said:
The police and Govt don't give two $hits about fake or stolen PALs
A few years back when i got robbed and my truck and a bunch of crap got stolen I called Mirimachi to report the stolen PAL and they said we will send you out a new one
They also said that it will be the same number on the PAL as the stolen one and I questioned them about it saying you don't get the same number on a new credit card after someone uses it illeagally
They told me that it doesn't matter with the PAL
Our system is a joke
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As is the RCMP. Also a joke!......:(

They are more interested in hiring young males that identify as women! Yes, this was an advertisement from the RCMP for recruiting. Very sick indeed.......:(

Has anyone seen the new recruits in the last 3-4 years in your city or town. A lot of them can barely look over the steering wheel, or are five feet tall and three feet wide.

Oh, I forgot to mention their charming personalities or chip on the ole' shoulder. An absolute disgrace!

So no, they don't care about a fraudulent firearms license purchase attempt. They care about protecting corrupt, lying politicians like Trudy, Singh, Freeland, Blair and Medicino.
 
My PAL was compromised many years ago and I reported it to the RCMP. I called the CFC, told them about the investigation and they sent me a new card, adding notes to my file to watch for suspicious activity. Less than a year later I tried to buy a handgun (remember those days?) and was told that my PAL had expired. They still had the old number attached to my name, even with the notes indicating what had happened.

We’ll likely never know how much fraud is actually prevented by the system but scammers are becoming more sophisticated every day. Damned if you comply, damned if you don’t and good help is hard to find…
 
pengfire said:
My PAL was compromised many years ago and I reported it to the RCMP. I called the CFC, told them about the investigation and they sent me a new card, adding notes to my file to watch for suspicious activity. Less than a year later I tried to buy a handgun (remember those days?) and was told that my PAL had expired. They still had the old number attached to my name, even with the notes indicating what had happened.

We’ll likely never know how much fraud is actually prevented by the system but scammers are becoming more sophisticated every day. Damned if you comply, damned if you don’t and good help is hard to find…
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The tech for doing deep fakes is getting more and more accessible and just like a 3d printer it's powerful and affordable.

Calling in to check if a valid pal number is linked to the address being used to ship something should be the extent of it, sending pictures of PAL's through a net that captures everything is probably not worth the risk in the long run.

Identifying ourselves going forward is going to be complicated, we will likely be forced into some sort of digital is system "for our own protection" in the near future.
 
There are cases where it is the police who are the one sending in fake PALs to test retailers and private sellers. As scummy as this type of act is there is no law in Canada preventing entrapment by the police. There has been several situations in recent years where the police has set up these types situations.
 
Garaldtao said:
There are cases where it is the police who are the one sending in fake PALs to test retailers and private sellers. As scummy as this type of act is there is no law in Canada preventing entrapment by the police. There has been several situations in recent years where the police has set up these types situations.
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It would be pretty easy for authoritarian leaning police to do a lot more then that using AI bots, cheap as Borscht and with most communications being digital these days easy to monitor and target.

A large part of Canada now spells Freedom Free-Dumb..... it's one of the most ambarassing, disgraceful and frightening dystopian realities that we face today.
 
Can-down said:
The tech for doing deep fakes is getting more and more accessible and just like a 3d printer it's powerful and affordable.

Calling in to check if a valid pal number is linked to the address being used to ship something should be the extent of it, sending pictures of PAL's through a net that captures everything is probably not worth the risk in the long run.

Identifying ourselves going forward is going to be complicated, we will likely be forced into some sort of digital is system "for our own protection" in the near future.
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Stores are getting data breeches, email is just as secured as leaving a note book in your house. It's not like the pictures show the watermarks and other security measures in place on the PAL. Then wonder why there is fraud?

Info to what needed to be submitted was all that should been required. The stupid 2 ID for the PAL check only tells that the person is in poession of those. Nothing changed and still back to assuming that the person you are talking to is indeed that person.
 
The entire system is a joke. There's an exemption for the photo if you believe a certain fairy-tale. Anyone can use that card online or in-store and it can't be questioned because that's racist and discrimination
 
There's the chance it was an undercover op to verify retailers are doing proper diligence. Or it may have been the CBC hoping for a story.
 
Can-down said:
Good catch would be if the cops actually did something about it.... so many scammers in Canada today many of them in high positions and others who are new to the game so to speak and happy to be in a land of great opportunity.
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Why would they do something about it….When it was possibly a fedboy checking for compliance?

I’ve had two failed attempts in the last month for a private sale. One straw purchase attempt and one failed P.A.L. check that he later told me he knew it would fail. I called one of them out directly as a fed, and even after reporting the PMs he wasn’t banned on here.

Never had any issues before since PALs were a thing.
 
Jonesyatpl said:
Why would they do something about it….When it was possibly a fedboy checking for compliance?

I’ve had two failed attempts in the last month for a private sale. One straw purchase attempt and one failed P.A.L. check that he later told me he knew it would fail. I called one of them out directly as a fed, and even after reporting the PMs he wasn’t banned on here.

Never had any issues before since PALs were a thing.
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It would make sense that if the police were doing setups they would not self investigate, I was more thinking that if it was a case where someone was trying to illegally buy something that the police might want to look into it.... 2 different possible scenarios.

Your recent experiences are not great news, things are broken on so many levels and the sad part is when it comes to the gun file, all failures are ammo for the anti gun folk to further increase restrictions and create more hoops to jump through.

Are we not allowed to leave negative feedback for straw purchasers and feds? I see you have not left any negative feedback despite your recent negative experiences?
 
Garaldtao said:
There are cases where it is the police who are the one sending in fake PALs to test retailers and private sellers. As scummy as this type of act is there is no law in Canada preventing entrapment by the police. There has been several situations in recent years where the police has set up these types situations.
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Setting up "stings" is standard operating investigative procedure that was adopted during the FLQ years in Quebec. It's highly successful when dealing with idiots who don't know their rights under the law. Unfortunately, the only crooks that get caught are the stupid ones.....which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
Can-down said:
It would make sense that if the police were doing setups they would not self investigate, I was more thinking that if it was a case where someone was trying to illegally buy something that the police might want to look into it.... 2 different possible scenarios.

Your recent experiences are not great news, things are broken on so many levels and the sad part is when it comes to the gun file, all failures are ammo for the anti gun folk to further increase restrictions and create more hoops to jump through.

Are we not allowed to leave negative feedback for straw purchasers and feds? I see you have not left any negative feedback despite your recent negative experiences?
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I didn't leave a review because we didn't do a transaction. I reported the two straw purchasers to the admins here. One got banned, one didn't.
 
10-4, by "Straw Purchaser" are you saying they were liceneced people buying your gun for an unlicensed third party... if so and you don't mind sharing, how did you figure it out?
 
It was an unlicensed person trying to get a gun locally. They were going to have a person with a PAL use their license # for the ref check/to purchase it, but wouldn't be there with the actual sale, as they live in the interior. I figured this out because it was exactly what they told me. When I called the straw purchase, they assured me it was ok to do..... It was not. The guy with the license didn't get a ban here, oddly enough.
 
maifire said:
I have had a pair of fake PAL’s submitted from Townpost. When i called them in-the photos were of the same guy, and neither were correct-the CFC agent didnt care to know about what phone number they came from nor where it was about to happen.
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Shocker!.....:(

The CFC did nothing, go figure.

They only want to attack law abiding Canadians, remember!
 
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