Attention another garand scam

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Hi folks,

Please be diligent, that's twice in the last week I inquired into a garand on the ee that turned out to be a scam. The seller uses the descriptions off of gunbroker and other firearm sites to to trick buyers. Typically no pics are provided on the ad as he'd have to have a photo sharing account, or upgraded cgn account. He/she emails pics stolen off the web. Cgn admin closed and deleted the last thread that was started but I just want to remind people that dealing with a person or dealer with a good trader rating now means nothing. Ask fir a detailed pic of the the item with today's date newspaper or piece of paper with the date and sellers cgn handle etc...




I've talked to JollyRoger about guns in the past that he recently had for auction and trust me he has no affiliation with Arnie's guns. When I talked to Arnie's this morning they had no idea about the gun in question either.

Beware guys and stay diligent
 
Thanks for the heads up, and yes, my spider senses were tingling on that ad. In particular, the phrase "This rifle is powerful, accurate and fun to shoot." seemed unique and turned up in another ad:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/923689778/US-Springfield-M1-Garand-Rifle-308WIN-7-62-NATO.htm

I asked for pictures and received the same as you posted, with an @ryerson.ca as the email address -- strange for a retailer!

The other suspicious thing was that there was a second firearm posted by the same user: a Colt Pyton 8" royal blue --- another firearm that is commonly used by scammers.

Thanks to the members and mods for getting that user's account banned --- I suspect it was another password hack.
 
I think the accounts are being hacked as well, it will be very tough to know what's legitimate if that becomes a new trend. Definitely take extra precaution on the EE! I will be asking a lot more details from the seller if I see something now.

Regards,
-Steve
 
It's a shame to see this again in such a short period of time. I posted a warning thread on this vary subject a few days ago, but the moderators saw fit to delete it.

The modus operandi appears to be the same as what we encountered last week. Ads without photos are posted, then stolen photographs (often from American auction sites) are sent to would-be buyers. If the buyer bites, they're out of luck as there's little to no recourse once an Interac E-transfer has been sent.

Typically these scams are pretty easy to spot as new accounts with little to no posts are being used, but last week, the account involved was created in 2005 and had hundreds of posts. This morning, the account involved belonged to a trusted dealer, so I'm of the opinion that these accounts are being hijacked from their rightful owners...

What's this mean? Well, if the moderators are reading this, they need to understand that it isn't enough to simply ban these accounts. This accomplishes very little as the only person being punished is the individual who initially had their account hijacked to begin with. CGN administration needs to acknowledge that this is happening, and combat it by post cautionary warning threads at the top of the EE to let people know.

So, how are these accounts being hijacked? This is just a hunch on my part, but I assume the hackers are gaining access to people's accounts through "password reset" style e-mails coming from "CGN" when in reality, the links people are clicking on have nothing to do with the site or its administration.

Okay, this is happening... How can we protect ourselves? Well, these images are being ripped off the internet. So, this means that they should be searchable through a google image search. From here on out, I will be running any photos I receive through this service to ensure that the photos are authentic. If the search does not yield anything, you can likely rest assured that the photos are original. However, if the photos are off the internet, they will show up (along with their source).

Another thing we need to keep in mind is that it is not wise to be sending photos of our PALs to potential sellers. If you do this, you open yourself up to a number of risks. Namely, that a dishonest individual could easily pose as you and illegally purchase other firearms online by using the photo you sent of your PAL. So, we should really only be sending the PAL number itself... but only after swapping information with the seller. If the seller is unwilling to give up their own info, I'd say back away from the deal.

The EE is a great resource, but we need to ensure that we're protecting ourselves as we use it!

Chris

 
thanks for posting this ,these people are the scum of the earth.I was scammed in a deal about 3 years ago .It was also for an m1 Garand SA .It was on the fire arms Canada site,there myself and another person took the bait on that one as it worked out i lost half the asking price the other bidder lost the total amount .Called the RCMP but they could do nothing .I have bought and sold lots of guns on cgn an never a problem but it seems they are trying to find there way on to this sight as well,so sad really.
 
EE is a busy site, and a known quantity (ie trusted). With the rep (ie non-trusted) of most other gun sales sites these days, CGN EE is bound to become more and more of a target for these parasites.
 
thats to bad, makes me heart sick .Thats a lot of money to trough away and worst thing is there seems to be no way of catching these modern day thieves or getting your money back.
 
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