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I am rather enjoying this thread!!!!
Me too! Just sit back and watch.... reminds me of when I was married! LOL
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Me too! Just sit back and watch.... reminds me of when I was married! LOL
Me too! Just sit back and watch.... reminds me of when I was married! LOL
No doubt when you had children.
Take Crae
Bob
I am rather enjoying this thread!!!!
I am not. I felt a lot better when everyone was just having fun.
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People feel the need to have rules, its the sheepel in them coming out.
I do think in the interest of the sport, idpa jumping on the multigun bandwagon is great.
But for me it will be just another set of rules that will get in the way of how my crew likes to train.
But as far as being a sport, getting more people into it,ill back it with everything i have!
I would love to see more people useing a combat shotgun and carbine ,as handguns are allways a 3 option .
But what does it really matter anyway , its not like any of us are training to defend ourselfs, as the just stating that in canada is enough to get you arested.
Or worse ..... banded from CGN
I do think in the interest of the sport, idpa jumping on the multigun bandwagon is great.
But for me it will be just another set of rules that will get in the way of how my crew likes to train.
But as far as being a sport, getting more people into it,ill back it with everything i have!
I would love to see more people useing a combat shotgun and carbine ,as handguns are allways a 3 option .
But what does it really matter anyway , its not like any of us are training to defend ourselfs, as the just stating that in canada is enough to get you arested.
Or worse ..... banded from CGN
Regarding the revolver regs. this is how I see it:
5" & 6" wheel guns blow dead donkey dink. They are ugly and unwieldy.
4" wheel guns on the other hand rock. They look right, they point right, and are oh so ###y.
Now, IDPA being a defensive pistol sport is basing it's existence on CCW.
No one in their right mind would pack a 6" gun on their hip (outside of bear country that is), if for nothing other than to escape the ensueing ridicule by their CCW packin' compadres.
Unfortunately the Gov't of Canada doesn't see it that way and have prohibited all of the cool stuff so we are left with the long nosed, red-headed step children. Oh Joy.
Now in the interests of keeping the divisions alive in Canada, we have some exemptions for barrel length so that folks can use stuff that isn't on the prohib. lists. So that means to me that regularily your max. 4.2" revo must make weight, but if you are shooting the longer version, you are allowed that model's factory weight with the longer barrel.
Ie. You show up with a 625 and haven't given it a trim, and it is still sporting a 6" barrel. You are allowed to blow the weight limit only insofar as what that extra 1.8" of pipe would allow. (btw, my 4.2" 625 weighs in at 41.8 oz.)
If guys are mod'ing guns by cutting barrels and changing or machining cylinders, when the chips are done falling those guns better make weight.
5" & 6" wheel guns blow dead donkey dink. They are ugly and unwieldy.
4" wheel guns on the other hand rock. They look right, they point right, and are oh so ###y.
Now, IDPA being a defensive pistol sport is basing it's existence on CCW.
No one in their right mind would pack a 6" gun on their hip (outside of bear country that is), if for nothing other than to escape the ensueing ridicule by their CCW packin' compadres.
Unfortunately the Gov't of Canada doesn't see it that way and have prohibited all of the cool stuff so we are left with the long nosed, red-headed step children. Oh Joy.
Now in the interests of keeping the divisions alive in Canada, we have some exemptions for barrel length so that folks can use stuff that isn't on the prohib. lists. So that means to me that regularily your max. 4.2" revo must make weight, but if you are shooting the longer version, you are allowed that model's factory weight with the longer barrel.
Ie. You show up with a 625 and haven't given it a trim, and it is still sporting a 6" barrel. You are allowed to blow the weight limit only insofar as what that extra 1.8" of pipe would allow. (btw, my 4.2" 625 weighs in at 41.8 oz.)
If guys are mod'ing guns by cutting barrels and changing or machining cylinders, when the chips are done falling those guns better make weight.
Joined IDPA as a sport/game to enjoy, meet new faces, learn from all shooters with different degrees of talent and personally improve my own techniques w/ the firearms our government has allowed us to use in safe envirionments.
The new DMG rules, IMO, propagate and allow all of us law-abiding residents of Canada to exercise our beloved past-time with the firearms that, in the range, are used mainly from the shooting bench.
Kudos to the IDPA organization for allowing other shooters to explore talents w/c initially are different but, in the end, practise individual proficiency with various firearms.
I think of a long ago professor in college who said: "true success in life is perfecting the ability to continually accept change". Personally as an IDPA SO at our club, we have begun that process of implementing this change to creating DMG CoF's in all our future practises and club matches. This an open invitation to all those interested to join and help each other to be safe and proficient with all types of firearms - for enjoyment and commeraderie!!!! Happy shooting to us all -
The new DMG rules, IMO, propagate and allow all of us law-abiding residents of Canada to exercise our beloved past-time with the firearms that, in the range, are used mainly from the shooting bench.
Kudos to the IDPA organization for allowing other shooters to explore talents w/c initially are different but, in the end, practise individual proficiency with various firearms.
I think of a long ago professor in college who said: "true success in life is perfecting the ability to continually accept change". Personally as an IDPA SO at our club, we have begun that process of implementing this change to creating DMG CoF's in all our future practises and club matches. This an open invitation to all those interested to join and help each other to be safe and proficient with all types of firearms - for enjoyment and commeraderie!!!! Happy shooting to us all -
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There you go Rottboy. Let's just shoot the guns and not shoot the mouths off.
I find IDPA matches are fun to participate in because no SO will run up to you with a rule book and nit pick like a prosecution lawyer. Let's keep the rules simple, functional and safe for all shooters.
Its a game and we are meant to have fun. So let's have fun shooting all the guns, long ones and short ones. The more the merrier.
See you at the range everyone. Count me in on the AR shoot in 22 August.
I find IDPA matches are fun to participate in because no SO will run up to you with a rule book and nit pick like a prosecution lawyer. Let's keep the rules simple, functional and safe for all shooters.
Its a game and we are meant to have fun. So let's have fun shooting all the guns, long ones and short ones. The more the merrier.
See you at the range everyone. Count me in on the AR shoot in 22 August.
Steve David
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I have to agree with Rottboy and Hugodog!
Well not me!!!! Nothing brings me more joy then seeing useless arguments and whining over something that is supposed to be fun.
Well not me!!!! Nothing brings me more joy then seeing useless arguments and whining over something that is supposed to be fun.
your saying asking for rules clarification is useless ?? our sport is goverened by rules set outby HQ in the USA.
asking for a clarification on the revolver exemption from our area HQ and wanting a response so that competitiors are not unfairly judged by a tinpot Match Director.... rules should be black and white and not open for "interpretation" on match day.
as it stands the revolver question is still open.... until HQ makes a ruling that stipulates the weight limits are in effect not being enforced and the only way to classify the revolver is the fact that does it or does it not take moonclips.
It may be just me but you are getting real picky. You complain about not being able to use a revolver after you cut the barrel down then cut the cylinder down? Seriously? Then Bob gets your gun accepted but you still have other complaints. Do you even shoot IDPA much or just complain a lot? Try and have some fun will you?
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No I don't shoot IDPA at all... I am just a poser
is it to much to ask that the rules be clarified and set in stone and not based on the whim of an MD on match day ?? ....
sorry for being such a bother to you cbabes....
is it to much to ask that the rules be clarified and set in stone and not based on the whim of an MD on match day ?? ....
sorry for being such a bother to you cbabes....
The rules are and have been.
THe MD is the final adjudicator of the rules on match day by rule. If you don't like it I am afraid you just are going to have get over it. It has been that way in IDPA since day one.
The rules for the two revolver divisions are clearly spelled out in the rule book. You have asked for clarifications on how the Canadian Exemption is applied. You have it. If you still can't understand it I am prepared to talk to you by phone at your pleasure and at my expense.
The various International Exemptions are not going to be listed in the rule book if that is what you are asking. Our exemptions are listed on our websire.
Take Care
Bob
I think it's just that I was so proud of "our little thing" we had going with IDPA. Everyone had nothing but good things to say and talked about how much fun it was.
I am going back to the way it was.
Ok Bob,
so I have the following revolvers currently being shot at my club, we have ALOT of surveyors and timber cruisers that have Wildlife ATT's.
2x 5" .44 mag 629's
1x 5" 460 w/comp S&W X Frame (comp is removable if needed)
1x 4.2" 454 Super Redhawk (already Clarified as ESR Gun with either 454/45LC/45acp)
1x 6" 357 mdl 586
1x 6" 357 GP100
1x 6" .44 mag 629's
2x 4.2" 357 ruger GP100's (allready classed as SSR guns)
so give me a breakdown on how an MD would classifiy the above guns.... for a Match (sanctioned or otherwise) all use speedloaders of one type or another and none use moonclips (as of yet).
and I don't care how "competitive" you consider the above guns, for the most parts they are carried in the bush by people working and are for serious buisness of stopping grizzly and black bears if needed. sure they may not be competitive but following the "spirit" of IDPA they are real guns used in real situations..... not all shooters consider or shoot IDPA as a "gamer".
so I have the following revolvers currently being shot at my club, we have ALOT of surveyors and timber cruisers that have Wildlife ATT's.
2x 5" .44 mag 629's
1x 5" 460 w/comp S&W X Frame (comp is removable if needed)
1x 4.2" 454 Super Redhawk (already Clarified as ESR Gun with either 454/45LC/45acp)
1x 6" 357 mdl 586
1x 6" 357 GP100
1x 6" .44 mag 629's
2x 4.2" 357 ruger GP100's (allready classed as SSR guns)
so give me a breakdown on how an MD would classifiy the above guns.... for a Match (sanctioned or otherwise) all use speedloaders of one type or another and none use moonclips (as of yet).
and I don't care how "competitive" you consider the above guns, for the most parts they are carried in the bush by people working and are for serious buisness of stopping grizzly and black bears if needed. sure they may not be competitive but following the "spirit" of IDPA they are real guns used in real situations..... not all shooters consider or shoot IDPA as a "gamer".
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So what is your point you are trying to make in your final paragraph. That took about as much time as it takes to type this out. As a MD you should have been able to figure that out as well simply by reading the rule book and the Canadian Exemption.
If your Ruger Blackhawk has a barrel lengthe of 4.2" or less it must make weight for the division the shooter wants to play in. If the gun is stock and has a barrel length greater than 4.2" and 6" or less it can play in either division.
I should add local clubs may have restrictions on the type of calibres allowed in their indoor ranges and as such could prevent a shooter from participating. Check first.
If you have any further club specific questions forward them to me by email and I will be happy to answer them.
Take Care
Bob
ps The compensator would have to come off the revolver by rule.
the point of my last paragraph is that usually you respond how "uncompetitive" certain guns may be... competitive or not they are being used in life or death situations.
so all of the above guns can be classed as SSR then unless they have a 4.2" barrel OR use moonclips is that what you meant to say ??
and that is my point for getting clarification... how am I or another SO going to classify someone if we do not know what class thier gun fits in...
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so all of the above guns can be classed as SSR then unless they have a 4.2" barrel OR use moonclips is that what you meant to say ??
and that is my point for getting clarification... how am I or another SO going to classify someone if we do not know what class thier gun fits in...
As an MD, and without the internet at my fingers on match day, I would put the onus on the competitor to supply me with info to say whether it met the requirements of the division.
As an example, the model 29s can be used in SSR as a 4" barreled model comes from the factory weighing in at 41.5 oz. -but it is unfair for the MD to know that off the top of their head, so as a competitor, and I wanted to shoot a 6" model, I'd have the appropriate documentation (a sales cut sheet is enough) indicating it was koshier.
Doing anything less is setting yourself and the MD up for fail.
So going through the list, I'd say the following:
2x 5" .44 mag 629's - if these are factory 5" guns they can play in SSR, if not they are likely playing in ESR
1x 5" 460 w/comp S&W X Frame (comp is removable if needed) - Factory gun? weight? - The only model I see is a 8" and it blows weight of ESR. If it has been chopped then it needs to be 50 oz. skinny or the competitor is playing for no score
1x 4.2" 454 Super Redhawk (already Clarified as ESR Gun with either 454/45LC/45acp) - You have the answer to this one
1x 6" 357 mdl 586 - SSR or ESR, whichever the shooter wants
1x 6" 357 GP100 - SSR or ESR
1x 6" .44 mag 629's - SSR or ESR
2x 4.2" 357 ruger GP100's (allready classed as SSR guns) - SSR or ESR
Super Blackhawk - Again is it factory? Weight? The only one I see blows weight of ESR, so if it has been chopped then make weight or prove it can be had from the factory in compliance with the rules or they are shooting for no score
It's called IDPA, not International Bear Defense Association
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