ATTENTION NFA!!! Troy Commemorative XM177E2 PROHIBITED!!

CobraGT said:
I'd love to see some photos of the interior of the lower receiver and of the fire-control group. Very nice rifle!
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Sure, here you go. As you can plainly see, the Troy Lower Receivers are blocked in such a way that machining out the Fire Control Group area to accommodate illegal modification would be even more difficult: than a standard AR Lower. This is due to both the thicker Receiver Walls at the back end of the FCG Pocket and the "Block" across the Pocket itself where the Auto Sear Pin would reside in a select-fire version. This FCG is both too narrow and too short to accept any illegal parts without substantial machining skills and tooling. Note the additional "Replica" and "Semi-Only" markings which have been applied to "offset" the purely cosmetic external "AUTO" and "Auto Sear Pin" markings on the Lower Receiver. Troy went out of their way to satisfy the BATF, and (presumably) the CFC Lab....


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Leg said:
Very nice. All the articles I've read had a Troy logo above the markings. Glad to see that's not the case.

Price seems reasonable with all the accessories. Replacing the mags is pretty lame.

I thought that they were going to make GUU-5P clones as well but haven't seen or heard anything since.
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They were going to bring in limited numbers of each rifle.
 
VERY nice! Thanks for sharing. Will you post up a bit of a range report Bartok5???

Cheers
Jay

Bartok5 said:
First up is the Cardboard Box that the carbine arrives in. The markings on the end of the box are the only clue as to what lies within....

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Here is a close-up of the Right side of the Receiver area:

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Well, I hope you enjoyed the background and photos of this interesting new offering from Troy Industries!

Cheers,
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UPDATE:

I heard from Rampart Internatonal this morning and it was in fact Troy who swapped out the two correct USGI mags for the single Polymer 5/30. Quite frankly, I am astounded that the manufacturer of a commemorative piece would do such a thing. You would think that they of all people would "get it" regarding the importance of shipping the period-correct magazines.

Be that as it may, I owe Rampart an apology for believing that they were the culprits and for insinuating that on here. So here it is: I apologize for that. The blame in this matter clearly rests with Troy industries, who of all people ought to have known better. It is Troy that I will request further clarification from.

As for a range report, I'm happy to oblige after my next range trip later this week or next. I can't promise much in the way of results on target with Iron Sights and my post-cataract eyes, but I'll be sure to let you guys know how the carbine functions and handles. I'm not anticipating any big surprises, but it will be fun nonetheless. I'll be happy with minute-of-pie plate @ 50m for accuracy and I expect flawless feeding and function right out of the box from a high-quality, modern AR manufacturer such as Troy. Watch and shoot!
 
For those that are wondering the GAU-5 version has the Troy Logo above the roll marks. Mark, I note you have a new looking pistol grip on your gun, mine looks like it was actually on the Son Tay Raid.
 
Hi Sparrow,

I swapped out the original USGI A1 Grip that came on the XM-177 for a spare that I had. The mottled look was out of place on an otherwise pristine firearm, so it had to go. I may try a little light sanding and a shot of black spray paint to rehabilitate the original grip. It is in good shape overall, it just looks like Hell!

Best of luck with sourcing the correct period replacement for your Port Door. I noticed the shiny finish on the End Cap as well, but will have to live with it since removing the Faux Moderator would be a real pain. Note that one other difference you may wish to pursue is a simple Roll-Pin to secure the Front Sling Swivel, rather than the current-day Rivet. The Roll Pin would be period-correct, a minor oversight on Troy's part during assembly. FWIW....
 
Bartok5 said:
Hi Sparrow,

I swapped out the original USGI A1 Grip that came on the XM-177 for a spare that I had. The mottled look was out of place on an otherwise pristine firearm, so it had to go. I may try a little light sanding and a shot of black spray paint to rehabilitate the original grip. It is in good shape overall, it just looks like Hell!

Best of luck with sourcing the correct period replacement for your Port Door. I noticed the shiny finish on the End Cap as well, but will have to live with it since removing the Faux Moderator would be a real pain. Note that one other difference you may wish to pursue is a simple Roll-Pin to secure the Front Sling Swivel, rather than the current-day Rivet. The Roll Pin would be period-correct, a minor oversight on Troy's part during assembly. FWIW....
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That explains the grip, I actually have a period correct A1 port door. I already swapped out the hand guard too, looks way better with the OEM instead of the plastic. Nice call on the roll pin Sir!
 
Bartok5 said:
UPDATE:

I heard from Rampart Internatonal this morning and it was in fact Troy who swapped out the two correct USGI mags for the single Polymer 5/30. Quite frankly, I am astounded that the manufacturer of a commemorative piece would do such a thing. You would think that they of all people would "get it" regarding the importance of shipping the period-correct magazines.

Be that as it may, I owe Rampart an apology for believing that they were the culprits and for insinuating that on here. So here it is: I apologize for that. The blame in this matter clearly rests with Troy industries, who of all people ought to have known better. It is Troy that I will request further clarification from.

As for a range report, I'm happy to oblige after my next range trip later this week or next. I can't promise much in the way of results on target with Iron Sights and my post-cataract eyes, but I'll be sure to let you guys know how the carbine functions and handles. I'm not anticipating any big surprises, but it will be fun nonetheless. I'll be happy with minute-of-pie plate @ 50m for accuracy and I expect flawless feeding and function right out of the box from a high-quality, modern AR manufacturer such as Troy. Watch and shoot!
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and this deserves acknowledgment. Good on you for it.

Can't wait for the range report. She's a beautiful rifle.
 
I managed to hit the Alberta CHAS range at Genessee yesterday to break in the XM177E2 and mess around with a few other toys. My SIG MCX recently returned from the factory recall after several months away getting a new Bolt Carrier Group along with an example of SIG's new Match Trigger. It needed to be rezeroed along with my LMT MWS. But I digress...

Here is a pic of CGN's very own Incorrigible putting the XM177 through its paces during zeroing. I installed a cheap Chinese clone of the Colt 4x Carry Handle scope for accuracy testing at 100 yds as my eyes are no longer up to the task with iron sights.


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The accuracy results were as expected, mediocre with 55gr Remington UMC bulk .223 fodder. We fired 4 x 5-round groups @ 100 yds and averaged 3.5". Not stellar, but not surprising given the combination of a 12.5" barrel with a 1/7 twist, 55gr bulk ammo, a crappy scope with thick reticle, and my less than ideal eyesight. I suspect that some decent ammo like the 69gr FGMM round would shrink the groups to 2" like Guns and Ammo magazine experienced with their XM177E2 accuracy testing, but who fires GMM through a rifle-calibre SMG anyways?!? This is a. plinking carbine, not a match target rifle!

And that is where the XM177 really shone - during our iron-sighted plinking away at the rack of various sized gongs hanging invitingly @ 100 yards distance. Consistent hits on the 12" square were surprisingly easy and we found the iron sights to be almost perfectly regulated right out of the box. It really was a load of fun! The handling was excellent with the light weight and short overall length making for rapid target transitions and effortless maintenance of an offhand, unsupported shooting position. The XM177 was a real treat to handle after wrestling with my LMT MWS, but of course they are at the extreme opposite ends of the AR weight and accuracy spectrum!, Functioning of the new Troy was flawless right out of the box. Aside from normal pre-fire function tests, checking the bore and confirming adequate factory lubrication, I did nothing to prepare the XM177E2 for its first range session and it performed perfectly. Needless to say,I am very pleased with the carbine even as I remain pissed-off at Troy for their lazy/underhanded swap of the correct USGI magazines for a polymer Battle mag.

Hopefully Rampart and Troy will be able to assuage recent RCMP concerns about the Troy carbines so that more can be sold to those who want one. That said, having one of a very few currently available in Canada is kind of cool from a collector's perspective... ��
 
sparrow said:
Nice write up and pics Mark, thank you. I have the GAU-5-A/A and has swapped out the hand guards to the more correct Colt type. Next up is the port door. I would have a go at the hand guard cap but don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I asked about the mags and was told TROY won't pin the mags.
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For reference a Colt A1 upper with A1 port door. For people building or buying clones the square metal piece in the middle of the port door is thinner than a A2. The thicker metal on the A2 is to prevent you from catching the port door when closing the upper and lower halves.
 
Rebel Rouser said:


For reference a Colt A1 upper with A1 port door. For people building or buying clones the square metal piece in the middle of the port door is thinner than a A2. The thicker metal on the A2 is to prevent you from catching the port door when closing the upper and lower halves.
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Nice. Truth be told I always wondered why the change was made...makes sense. I found a nice A1 port door in the parts bin...haven't swapped it out yet, too scared of scratching the receiver. Atleast there is no forward assist on mine to get hung up on.
 
So I got the call from Rampart today, the RCMP has reclassified the GAU-5 AA and I assume the XM177 as prohibited. They want the lowers turned in inside 30 days or instructions will be issue to local PDs to seize the guns from the owners. Even turning in the lowers the commemorative value of these guns is destroyed. Despite the RCMP agreeing that the Troy lowers are an excellent example of a thick walled semi auto lower, they deemed the cosmetic sear groove to be easily converted to full out (the groove isn't even in the right location) heavy sigh.
 
The Troy rifle was prohibited due to the marking on the receiver that shows where the sear placement would be. The Colt has its own designation and is approved by the RCMP as a restricted rifle.

Just an update found this from IRUNGUNS in the CRM16a1 thread.
 
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