ATTENTION NFA!!! Troy Commemorative XM177E2 PROHIBITED!!

[Bartok5]

Rampart doesn't hold the registration certificate, you do.

You are the individual with the rights under section 72 and 74.

Wrong. I have already transferred registration of my Troy Carbine back to Rampart's business license. That would make the owner of Rampart International the owner of said firearm. I did so days ago, so all of this talk of Reference Hearings is great, but is quite literally a day late. If the owner of Rampart is unable or unwilling to do what is necessary, then perhaps Sparrow or Rajee have not yet sent in their respective carbines and would be willing to play sacrificial lamb for a Reference Hearing.

If this self-serving and very deliberate "enabling decision" by Murray Smith is not forcefully and successfully challenged, the next effort will be a blanket AR prohibition. There will be a declaration by the head lab-rat that all ARs pose an unacceptable risk to public safety because they are all easily converted to automatic fire within a short period of time. Wait for it.....

 

[VancouverS4]

Troy faced a similar battle with the BATF, their legal team would have all the ammo to show that this lab decision is bunk (pun intended).

 

[johnamillertime]

And just how do you plan on getting it transferred since it is now prohibited ?

Apparently the FRT still shows them as restricted. Probably just a temporary thing to make it easier for Rampart to repo them for the RCMP.

 

[Bartok5]

If Rampart is going to collude with the RCMP to round up the Troy Commemorative Carbines, then the least they can do is challenge Murray Smith's ludicrous decision regarding their classification. If allowed to go unchallenged, this decision will bring all ARs one step closer to a blanket prohibition. It must be challenged!

 

[Michael Dempster]

If Rampart is going to collude with the RCMP to round up the Troy Commemorative Carbines, then the least they can do is challenge Murray Smith's ludicrous decision regarding their classification. If allowed to go unchallenged, this decision will bring all ARs one step closer to a blanket prohibition. It must be challenged!

Are the gun orgs still asleep at the wheel on this one? Any word from any of them?

 

[GreenBob]

If Rampart is going to collude with the RCMP to round up the Troy Commemorative Carbines, then the least they can do is challenge Murray Smith's ludicrous decision regarding their classification. If allowed to go unchallenged, this decision will bring all ARs one step closer to a blanket prohibition. It must be challenged!

Really... a rallying cry after you sent yours back?

Are the gun orgs still asleep at the wheel on this one? Any word from any of them?

By the sound of it, it needs to be challenged by someone who purchased the actual firearm and still has it in their possession.

If anyone is willing to challenge this I will donate to the battle coffers.

 

[Lee Enfield]

Wrong. I have already transferred registration of my Troy Carbine back to Rampart's business license. That would make the owner of Rampart International the owner of said firearm. I did so days ago, so all of this talk of Reference Hearings is great, but is quite literally a day late. If the owner of Rampart is unable or unwilling to do what is necessary, then perhaps Sparrow or Rajee have not yet sent in their respective carbines and would be willing to play sacrificial lamb for a Reference Hearing.

If this self-serving and very deliberate "enabling decision" by Murray Smith is not forcefully and successfully challenged, the next effort will be a blanket AR prohibition. There will be a declaration by the head lab-rat that all ARs pose an unacceptable risk to public safety because they are all easily converted to automatic fire within a short period of time. Wait for it.....

Businesses do not hold registration certificates.

Judging by the letter Wolverine published from Smith during the WK lead up, Rampart almost certainly had their business licence threatened, overtly or by implication which is why they are trying to assist the sff...

 

[Rebel Rouser]

Apparently the FRT still shows them as restricted. Probably just a temporary thing to make it easier for Rampart to repo them for the RCMP.

It says prohib. FRT 173243.

 

[sparrow]

I sent mine back, so RAMPART has atleast one in their inventory if they wish to fight it.

 

[johnamillertime]

Does the FRT say when the change was made? I'd bet it was the moment all 4 were "recovered"

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

It says prohib. FRT 173243.

So the question then becomes, how many times can the FRT group issue an FRT# and legal classification, which is required to import any firearm into Canada and then change their minds?
The Swiss Arms debacle comes to mind. 13 years AFTER they issued their "expert" opinion they then change their minds, similar thing with the VZ58 and GSG MP44 and now a certain AR.
At some point I think a judge could be convinced the the FRT group is incompetent on the whole, which could lead to a complete unraveling of the whole FRT crap.

A gofundme plan has merit in order to take these ######s to court and prove once and for all that Smith and Etter should be removed based on their incompetence.
Possibly some small claims actions for loss of the cost of the firearms that have to be turned would also get the feds attention.
I am not a lawyer so really do not know how that all works, but I am sure Matlock could get the job done.

 

[buji88]

Does the FRT say when the change was made? I'd bet it was the moment all 4 were "recovered"

Generally you don't get the change log update it just says what the status is. the FRT system truly is messed up and broken as all get out. Interestingly enough there is no update on the CFC website regarding this so it makes me wonder how many were out there in the first place and if they have all been accounted for. Kind of of sucks if there was enough out there I feel like they would've made the effort to say turn these in. We may not be able to fight this now. I really hope that we can get all of our lobby groups on the same page and become one unified voice rather than bicker amongst ourselves.

 

[#1bcshooter]

So the question then becomes, how many times can the FRT group issue an FRT# and legal classification, which is required to import any firearm into Canada and then change their minds?
The Swiss Arms debacle comes to mind. 13 years AFTER they issued their "expert" opinion they then change their minds, similar thing with the VZ58 and GSG MP44 and now a certain AR.
At some point I think a judge could be convinced the the FRT group is incompetent on the whole, which could lead to a complete unraveling of the whole FRT crap.

A gofundme plan has merit in order to take these ######s to court and prove once and for all that Smith and Etter should be removed based on their incompetence.
Possibly some small claims actions for loss of the cost of the firearms that have to be turned would also get the feds attention.
I am not a lawyer so really do not know how that all works, but I am sure Matlock could get the job done.

Unfortunately he's dead

 

[johnamillertime]

As is this thread, it would appear. Ladies and gents, that was the sound of the RCMP Firearms Lab getting away with it, once again.

Their new motto should be "The Mounties always get your guns!"

 

[gutinater]

So the question then becomes, how many times can the FRT group issue an FRT# and legal classification, which is required to import any firearm into Canada and then change their minds?
The Swiss Arms debacle comes to mind. 13 years AFTER they issued their "expert" opinion they then change their minds, similar thing with the VZ58 and GSG MP44 and now a certain AR.
At some point I think a judge could be convinced the the FRT group is incompetent on the whole, which could lead to a complete unraveling of the whole FRT crap.

A gofundme plan has merit in order to take these ######s to court and prove once and for all that Smith and Etter should be removed based on their incompetence.
Possibly some small claims actions for loss of the cost of the firearms that have to be turned would also get the feds attention.
I am not a lawyer so really do not know how that all works, but I am sure Matlock could get the job done.

Rick is completely correct. How many times can the RCMP classify a gun as one thing and then turn around and reclassify it with no change in law and not be incompetent in their job

The RCMP:
-changed their interpretation of the antique laws (ones that are effected in Canada are OK but new ones arent... that is not how the law works)
-reclassified Canada Ammo's shipment of Type 97's
-classified wolverines CZ-58's as prohib because they had "Spartan" written on them
-have stopped allowing any new AR's that do not meet their new standard (But somehow the same ones that are already here are still OK.... but for how long?)
-back door prohibited the TNW M1919's..... yes people read the FRT details if you own one you are very likely in posession of a prohibited firearm but the cops have been instructed not to go looking for them but to take them as they show up - The TNW M37's are not effected by this
-prohibited Ruger 10/22 mags over ten rounds decades after they were allowed into Canada

This is just a short list adding to Ricks examples....

FYI- They are after the PS90 and FS2000

 

[greentips]

Write to the Auditor General and demand an audit.

 

[rommelrommel]

Rick is completely correct. How many times can the RCMP classify a gun as one thing and then turn around and reclassify it with no change in law and not be incompetent in their job

The RCMP:
-changed their interpretation of the antique laws (ones that are effected in Canada are OK but new ones arent... that is not how the law works)
-reclassified Canada Ammo's shipment of Type 97's
-classified wolverines CZ-58's as prohib because they had "Spartan" written on them
-have stopped allowing any new AR's that do not meet their new standard (But somehow the same ones that are already here are still OK.... but for how long?)
-back door prohibited the TNW M1919's..... yes people read the FRT details if you own one you are very likely in posession of a prohibited firearm but the cops have been instructed not to go looking for them but to take them as they show up - The TNW M37's are not effected by this
-prohibited Ruger 10/22 mags over ten rounds decades after they were allowed into Canada

This is just a short list adding to Ricks examples....

FYI- They are after the PS90 and FS2000

SSD BD38, BD3008, Walther G22, Armi Jager AP80, the list goes on and on.

 

[johnamillertime]

The RCMP got spanked by a judge in the Armi Jager instance, and they circumvented the ruling again 5 years later.

 

[buriedoutback]

This is not a troll post, and I'm genuinely curious/uninformed about this whole process, so here goes...

We're worried that taking this BS to court will trigger them to make AR-15s prohibited... but we're already worried about that happening... hand guns too...

If they decided to prohibit thousands of legal ARs and make thousands of legal people into criminals, wouldn't that motivate people to stand up and fight?

 

[Ironheart]

As is this thread, it would appear. Ladies and gents, that was the sound of the RCMP Firearms Lab getting away with it, once again.

Their new motto should be "The Mounties always get your guns!"

Incorrect, they would not and will not ever touch any of my legally acquired firearms....restricted or not