ATV's for hunting and hiking!?

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What did hunters do before the advent of the noisy ATV? Today an ATV is a must have along with biggest Magnum rifle available. Now people cannnot even go for a walk anymore; instead they roar along hiking trails for the thrill of it and scare all the animals away that they were hoping to see. "No vehicles" posted on a trail means nothing to them. A ME, ME, ME! time we live in.

John Sharpe Safaris in Rhodesia does walking hunts only. Clients hunt the traditional way without the smell of exhaust and can actually enjoy being in nature. Hunting in Canada seems for many to be a mechanical process of extracting bush meat for the freezer. I always thought of it as something more profound.

Not everyone is the mechanical hunter, I am not painting everyone with the same brush.
 
Agree mostly........definately has become abit of an Arms race.
I've got nothing against Machines if used appropriately but yes a few dicks ruin it for everyone eventually.

Still Plenty of Bush out here to get away from it all though...you don't have to go too far to get away from the Roads ;)

As long as I'm able I'll continue to take my Game on foot but I still respect those that cannot :)
 
We use our ATVs to recover game. I've never used it to hunt. Way too loud. In Alberta, you can't ride your ATV with a firearm before noon during hunting season. So that keeps the bush nice and quiet in the morning.

Sounds like you've had some bad expreriences. Like BCWILL said, lots of bush out there!
 
In Alberta, you can't ride your ATV with a firearm before noon during hunting season. So that keeps the bush nice and quiet in the morning
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.................yes you can. read your regs. I grew up in Fort Mac and that law never applied.
 
here in manitoba there in an increasing number of locations that ban the use of ATV's on public lands. in places they are still permitted for game retrieval, but for hunting and recreational riding-NO.

an average hunting season here is. hunt close to the road and a hunter in his truck will drive by every 15 minutes and scare all the deer away. walk 100yards into the bush and you won't see a hunter all fall.

i have had road hunters shoot at me 4 times in my 14 years of hunting, and my girl friend has been shot at twice in 5. these are hunters shooting from there trucks at deer in the field infront of us, without permission to hunt the property.

my definition of shooting at me is: you can hear the bullet fly past you or hear it hit the rock pile i'm hiding behind. while i am wearing full body orange, you blind **** face!

what the hell in this, Afghanistan!

it seems the only safe place is driving around in the truck with all the other lazy F###'s.

sorry for the rant. the only thing that pisses me off more than road hunters is having a liberal leader, who may be prime minister some day, and won't give up citisenship of another country. since when did we allowed forgieners govern this country.

i gotta go, my chest hurts and me arm tingles.
 
Well we were all British subjects and carried British passports until a good few years after WW2. I don't have a problem with the founding nations of France and Britain.

Laziness and selfishness in a hunter equals DANGER. "The WTF" attitude along with a pinch of stupidity will get someone killed and give the sport a bad reputation.
 
Win94 said:
.................yes you can. read your regs. I grew up in Fort Mac and that law never applied.
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You're right. Just the Southern half of Alberta.

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  • [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]use motorized travel within Willmore Wilderness Park; and[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]carry a weapon (click here to view Definitions) on an OHV between 1 hour before sunrise and the
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    following noon during an open season for big game on public land in the following WMUs: 102-166, 200-260, 300-360, 400-446, 507, 508, 514, 521, 522, 526 and 841. This does not apply when the operator is on a direct route to or from a location accessible by vehicles designed for highway travel and his or her isolated campsite, and the weapons and ammunition are carried out of view in separate locked containers.    [/FONT]
 
i don't have a problem with road hunters, it means fewer people away from the roads.

atv's are very useful for recovering game.
 
You're right. Just the Southern half of Alberta.

Hunting with Motorized Vehicles
It is unlawful to
discharge a weapon at antelope from within 46 m (50 yards) of a vehicle;
use motorized travel within Willmore Wilderness Park; and
carry a weapon (click here to view Definitions) on an OHV between 1 hour before sunrise and the following noon during an open season for big game on public land in the following WMUs: 102-166, 200-260, 300-360, 400-446, 507, 508, 514, 521, 522, 526 and 841. This does not apply when the operator is on a direct route to or from a location accessible by vehicles designed for highway travel and his or her isolated campsite, and the weapons and ammunition are carried out of view in separate locked containers
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..................its a very stupid law. I now live in Edson and when i retrieve any game before noon with a quad i cannot be armed.:rolleyes: Yeah i'll just leave it in the jeep while i go gut my animal in grizz and cougar country. #### off!!:mad:
 
Lets not paint all ATVers with the same brush ( just like us gun enthusiast, dont liked to be lumped in with the criminals)

I cant argue with this, although I find the bush blasters are normally not hunters.

Teapot said:
Now people cannnot even go for a walk anymore; instead they roar along hiking trails for the thrill of it and scare all the animals away that they were hoping to see. "No vehicles" posted on a trail means nothing to them. .
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ATVing his here to stay, much like snowmobiling.
There will always be a few dinks out there.
I guess one should also ask then; what did trappers do before snowmobiles??????????
 
I am an ATV instructor with the Alberta Safety Council. Open your eyes, There are lots of groups out there who want to ban ATV access in the "backcountry"

It's just a matter of time before we will all be walking again.
 
To each their own ... where it's legal to use them it's simply a matter of preference to what extent (if at all) you make the quad a part of your hunt.

As pointed out, there are areas where they are not allowed at all, or only allowed during specific times of the day. So, if you really are put off by them, you likely have a choice to pick a spot where they can't go but if you choose to hunt in an area where they are allowed, that's your choice as well.

Are you questioning their usefulness ? the right to use them at all or what? And what do magnum rifles have to do with anything? I don't know, to me it just sounds like someone is pissed at the perceived to be "rich kids" or ???? You have accused all people that utiliize a quad when hunting of laziness, selfishness and a pinch of stupidity! Way to go!
 
You must be very fortunate to be able to walk to your desired hunting destination :)
Oh wait!!! you drive your vehicle to your drop of point & then complain about others using a ATV :confused: :rolleyes:

I guess a real hunter would only use a club picked up along the way to!

You sound like the cross country ski'rs complaining about snowmobiles on a groomed trail, as they cross the bridge that wouldn't be there except for the snow clubs :rolleyes:
 
I only have a problem with recreational ATV riders who's ideal of recreation is turning every little low wet spot on the trail into a big continous mud bog. :mad:

Lots of great trails have been ruined, :mad: only good thing is that the quaders can't get back into the area now because they have wrecked all the trails between the provincial campground and where I am hunting.


so as long as the trails into the area are an impassable mess the other trails in the area can recover.



And this is why enviromental groups want to ban ATV's from the back country.

Those mudbogs only take one season to create but 5-10 years to recover

oh and I too am a CSC ATV safety instructor
 
Seems to me the "issues" aired point to problems with the riders of ATV's, not the ATV's themselves and that's simply a lack of ethics or possibly education.

People that rip up trails and roar around like dip ####s are just that, dip ####s, their attitudes are not reflective of all quad owners/hunters attitudes and ethics.... These same people likely chew up roads with their 4x4's, chew up x-country ski trails with their snow mobiles, litter and don't wear condoms when they screw, so what are you going to do? If they aren't breaking any laws save yourself the stress and let it go man. It's not what you would do, fine, leave it at that.

I see litter when I'm out and about in areas where no quads have been, so that leaves hunters or hikers that were walking to blame .... do I try and say all hunters/hikers are lazy, selfish, and stupid people ... of course not so why do it with regards to your past "bad experiances" with quads .. and magnum rifles?
 
TPK said:
Seems to me the "issues" aired point to problems with the riders of ATV's, not the ATV's themselves and that's simply a lack of ethics or possibly education.

People that rip up trails and roar around like dip s**ts are just that, dip s**ts, their attitudes are not reflective of all quad owners/hunters attitudes and ethics.... These same people likely chew up roads with their 4x4's, chew up x-country ski trails with their snow mobiles, litter and don't wear condoms when they screw, so what are you going to do? If they aren't breaking any laws save yourself the stress and let it go man. It's not what you would do, fine, leave it at that.

I see litter when I'm out and about in areas where no quads have been, so that leaves hunters or hikers that were walking to blame .... do I try and say all hunters/hikers are lazy, selfish, and stupid people ... of course not so why do it with regards to your past "bad experiances" with quads .. and magnum rifles?
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I am in agreement with you. Its just the dip####s causing the trouble

It still pisses me off that there was trails that I could ride, even drive with a 4x4 all year round that these quaders managed to turn into mudholes.

and I am sure that there are a few enviromental issues and laws that could be used to charge them with.
 
woodchopper said:
It still pisses me off that there were trails that I could ride, even drive with a 4x4 all year round that these quaders managed to turn into mudholes and I am sure that there are a few enviromental issues and laws that could be used to charge them with.
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It is frusterating for sure when you see damage done to nice trails and roads. As pointed out, a couple of minutes of "fun" can equal years of problems. When I lived in Lac La Hache, there were some 4x4'ers that thought those lovely rolling hills you see from the highway would be great fun to roar up and down, and no doubt it was, but the scars remain today. Signs have now been posted in an effort to educate these folks.

I've also come accross 4x4 clubs while in the bush, I guess some of them hold a yearly "outing", well, they completely ruined the road in and then proceeded to play "hide and seek" with their trucks, some driving down fish bearing streams in an effort to "hide", all in good fun but damaging to the environment non the less.

Here in Quesnel, there have been fences put up along the Quesnel river because 4x4's, motor bikes, and quads have been ripping up and down the river bank, great fun, but not that bright if you consider the affects to fish habitat.

I guess my point is, and there seems to be a certain level of agreement, that we should not blame the devices (guns, quads, trucks etc.) rather we should hold the individuals accountable while not painting all other people with these devices with the same brush. The key is hold them accountable, do what you can to bring to their attention the folly of their ways and when there is the possibility of legal action, see to it. That is how things will change for the better, education and accountability. Thanks for your input WoodChopper, it is hard to be civil when something is in your craw and rubbing ya the wrong way, so thanks for that.
 
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