ATVs in the Mud
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M12shooter
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Manitoba is at the brink of setting strict guidelines as to the use of ATV's on crown lands, Provincial Forests/parks. I understand the Government has asked the ATV associations to "police themselves" and sholuld this not work legislation will follow. A very high percentage of the people that use those things are complete morons and are in the process of ruining the activity for the rest. And for the flack I'm going to catch... yes I do own a quad
I have a CR250 and a rail buggy, and absolutely agree with you. If the idiots don't get reigned in, we'll be packing that moose out on foot, simple as that.Manitoba is at the brink of setting strict guidelines as to the use of ATV's on crown lands, Provincial Forests/parks. I understand the Government has asked the ATV associations to "police themselves" and sholuld this not work legislation will follow. A very high percentage of the people that use those things are complete morons and are in the process of ruining the activity for the rest. And for the flack I'm going to catch... yes I do own a quad
Republic of Alberta
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Driving your car down the highway kills thousands of bugs every summer. You guys should stop driving in the summer.
You could go on and on about how bad a certain group of people are towards the environ. but lets face it, until we, as humans, don't stop this neverending desire to consume everything possible and leave nothing behind we are all to blame, and I'm no better. Yes I do own an ATV but I do not subscribe to ripping up the trails like some feel they have to do.
You consider killing bugs the same as destroying the environment? Not saying one quad will destroy the environment, it's the combined effect of several thousand off-road enthusiests. The idiots will ruin it for the majority.
powder burner
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Ignorance: A destitute of knowledge or education < an ignorant society> ; also lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence.
Wetlands or what idiots like you commonly refer to as "the skeg" filters water.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0005566
Because of its importance to wildlife, WATER resources and the northern environment, muskeg is no longer considered wasteland. When managed properly, organic soils on peat have excellent capability for agriculture and forestry. Peat products have long-established uses in horticulture, and there is renewed interest in peat as an alternate ENERGY source. Peat provides raw materials for the CHEMICAL INDUSTRY (resins, waxes, paints, etc) and can serve as an efficient filter for some HAZARDOUS WASTES.
Now, if you would like to prove your ignorance on the subject, please continue to make an ass out of yourself.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
If I want to see habitat destruction all I gotta do is look at the deforestation currently underway in the Swan Hills area of central Alberta, which you can see from your truck seat, alongside any highway or roadway in this part of the province.
Hell just look at at Google satellite maps! The s**t they are doing to the forest in the Swan Hills, is visible from outer space!
As far as ATVs, I have never understood driving through a mudhole, if I can drive around it. Other guys cannot understand why anyone would drive around a perfectly good mudhole.
Hell just look at at Google satellite maps! The s**t they are doing to the forest in the Swan Hills, is visible from outer space!
As far as ATVs, I have never understood driving through a mudhole, if I can drive around it. Other guys cannot understand why anyone would drive around a perfectly good mudhole.
the water we go through isnt any ecosystem for anything other than mosquitos, most of ours is just low spots where the water pools after rain and disappear within a couple of days. If the water happens to be on dirt it makes it that more interesting to try and get through. And everyone I know does the same, noone cares around here, its always gone in a couple days anyway. Next time it rains, usually very soon around here, the dirt gets washed flat again and the fun starts again. We use our quads mostly for hauling, pulling, gophering, etc but you gotta get out and get dirty once in a while. we're just like little kids with oversized tonka toys.
Just think of all the asphalt roads you can see on google earth, we need to boycot roads before they become freeways and destroy ecosystems!!!!
Seriously the problem appears to be volume of traffic in certain areas. We have visited some of the places we went last year on quads and you couldn't even tell we were there previously. Clearly that would change if more people participated in riding the area.
Just an opinion, but many of us will continue to ride through mud and/or water, but some of us will be sensible about it. It's much easier to change your own riding habits than to convince others to change theirs, and this is why it is already being regulated.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
doesn't take many passes over a trail to make quite a difference. But I think it's worse with the older solid rear axle designs, that drag one tire every time you turn.
Such is the case with most of the machines we take to moose camp.
On the way in, the trail is good, eight machines pass, some with trailers.
A week later, a few of the machines have been in and out again, and we all drive out. Last guy is driving in mud, if it's rainy the trail is a disaster.
But by the following year, with limited visits in the summer, it's recovered enough for us to do it again.
If you drove the thin soils of that forest trail every day, or even once a week, it would be one continuous mud hole.
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Such is the case with most of the machines we take to moose camp.
On the way in, the trail is good, eight machines pass, some with trailers.
A week later, a few of the machines have been in and out again, and we all drive out. Last guy is driving in mud, if it's rainy the trail is a disaster.
But by the following year, with limited visits in the summer, it's recovered enough for us to do it again.
If you drove the thin soils of that forest trail every day, or even once a week, it would be one continuous mud hole.
The way out:
That is one HUGE contradictory statement. An 8 wheel drive tractor pulling 80' of cultivator will do way more damage than a quad. Forrestry equipment does more damage than a quad. If the industrial uses are OK, why would quads be tabboo?
I am an atver and have been doing so for 25 years,I don't agree with going out into a marsh or tundra and just tearing it up,but if your on an existing trail that goes through a swampy boggy area I believe it is better for the enviroment to go through and winch if you have to(tree saver straps) then to cut another trail around it.We have many trails up here that have become wider and wider because people keep cutting a new route around the mud.
