Aussie Enfields Now @ Marstar

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270dave said:
Lets stick to the important part...how does this thing shoot? You can buy plastic and stainless for less no doubt but for this design,in full wood, brand new, I think thats reasonable. Can you mount a decent adjustable on the back? Can you use it for m/match shoots? These are the questions I have, not where should I buy it or can I get it at half the price.
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The website says it compatible with the MkII ladder sight. I don't think we would let them in our milsurp match........not in the true spirit of things.
 
Yes, they may not qualify for some military rifle matches, because, well, they aren't. They would no doubt be acceptable for service conditions matches, but very few competitors use bolt action rifles.
Basically they are a modern paramilitary style bolt action rifle. No doubt they are fine shooters, and will fill a niche.
 
TIRIAQ, SLICKNICK,
I thank you for your input, obviously you are better informed than we are.... After all we are only the buyers and importers.
I guess that all those folks working in the Australian facility are there just to cover up the operations in, as you put it, "Booga-boogaland "

Thank you for your well researched information
John
 
Glad to be reassured that all parts supply and manufacturing operations are Australian, and that none of the work is being contracted offshore.
 
tiriaq said:
Glad to be reassured that all parts supply and manufacturing operations are Australian, and that none of the work is being contracted offshore.
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Australia is offshore.
 
FYI, According to a response from Wolverine Supplies, they are expecting their shipment next week and will be pricing them as follows (including the same 'extras' bundled with the rifles at Marstar), shipping & taxes extra:

No4 Mk4 Classic Lee Enfield 7.62x51 $799.00
M10-B1 Sporter Lee Enfield 7.62x51 $799.00
M10-B2 L42A1 Hvy Bbl 7.62x51 $899.00
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Unless I'm mistaken, the B1 & the B2 are listed for +$100 more at Marstar...

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Offshore from Australia. 100% of parts supply and manufacture occurring in Australia. No parts, raw or finished, or processing or assembly being done outside of Australia.
 
Is the Lee Enfield not a main battle rifle?

These look wicked, that's for sure, and in .308, and with all those improvements (receiver 1.5x thicker, trigger attached to receiver, etc), and a perfectly headspaced match chamber, and a chrome lined barrel too... drool

I need to win the lottery or something.
 
tiriaq
"Offshore from Australia. 100% of parts supply and manufacture occurring in Australia. No parts, raw or finished, or processing or assembly being done outside of Australia."

Really? Can you share your source of information? Thanks
I'm sorry but I don't buy dubious refernces to "facilities" and "folks".
Something makes me doubt.
h t t p : / / w w w gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=175619
 
I'm sure that when I spoke to a guy in Australia about the M10 Enfields a couple of years back he said that they are made in some other asian country but I forget which one.
 
V1 - Go back and read Johnone's post #43 in this thread. He is very defensive about where these rifles are made, although he did not actually claim Australian manufacture. That's why I thanked him for his reassurance, and made the comments about Australian manufacture.
I, too, had seen the Gunboards thread, when reports about these rifles first surfaced, prior to the rifles becoming available in Canada.
Perhaps current production is being done in its entirety in Australia. There is no evidence that this is now the case, but it is certainly possible. It is also possible that the rifles are being assembled in Australia from parts made elsewhere. This practice is so widespread in all industries everywhere that it is standard procedure.
It doesn't really matter where the rifles are made as far as quality is concerned. Obviously there can be serious cost advantages to having work done in one country as opposed to another.
 
tiriaq said:
V1 - Go back and read Johnone's post #43 in this thread. He is very defensive about where these rifles are made, although he did not actually claim Australian manufacture. That's why I thanked him for his reassurance, and made the comments about Australian manufacture.
I, too, had seen the Gunboards thread, when reports about these rifles first surfaced, prior to the rifles becoming available in Canada.
Perhaps current production is being done in its entirety in Australia. There is no evidence that this is now the case, but it is certainly possible. It is also possible that the rifles are being assembled in Australia from parts made elsewhere. This practice is so widespread in all industries everywhere that it is standard procedure.
It doesn't really matter where the rifles are made as far as quality is concerned. Obviously there can be serious cost advantages to having work done in one country as opposed to another.
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These comments from gunboard...


<Hi jean
I spoke to the Aussie dist about them and apart from not being very helpfull he confirmed that they are made in the peoples republic of vietnam. >


<To all commentators on the M10 AIA sereis of rifles, thankyou.
I personally know the promoter of these firearms here in Aus., and will be conveying the various comments to him.
The Rifles were originally promoted here in Aus. and Made at Lithgow under commercial contract as prototypes some 10 years ago. But problems with both metal casting quality and political problems forced the project into SE Asia.
The Good guns found in Australia are either original SAF Lithgow assembled ones, using a lot of original No.4 minor parts; Some ( several 100s) of the SEA made ones are actually fitted with M134 (minigun)barrels salvaged NEW in Wrapping in Indochina.

Most users in Australia (Military rifle, NRAA) reckon they are good to excellent in 7,62x51 and 5,56x45. The 7,62x39 is good with handloads and brass cases, but fair to poor with steel-cased Military Loads, or the "commercial" loads which pass for Military.

As to the Import and export problems, that is between the Australian A-G and Customs ministries, and the US State Department, and a hold over from the Gun-banning Clinton years.
As for In-USA sales and service...that is a US problem.

I will certainly be consulting with the person concerned, (when he returns from his overseas Business trip) as to the problems in this matter.

BTW-Disclaimer- I am in NO way financially nor otherwise connected with AIA or any of its associated persons or entities...except as a satisfied Customer of its products and as a Supplier of Tooling and Jigs for its "repro-Stock" project (T38 and T99).>




<They're definitely not made in Australia... the only factory-level gunmaker in the entire country (AFAIK) is the ADI plant at Lithgow, and they certainly aren't cranking out .308 calibre replicas of the No 4 Mk I rifle... >

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...would seem to indicate that these rifles are being made in Vietnam. It's an interesting saga...I am partial to the No 4 Mk 4 myself...brand new, good looking, heavy duty Enfield clone firing .308...they're reputed to be pretty accurate. The 7.62X39mm models seem to suffer from a pretty poor reputation reliability wise...if I was distributing them I'd make sure that has been 100% rectified.
Lots of things are made in Vietnam, including many of the bicycles on the world market. It doesn't mean they are junk by any means. I am very interested in hearing people's impressions of these rifles who actually have one to handle and shoot...they have been around for years in Australia, nothing new there.

One question: If the rifle is being made by third world labour, why is it priced at first world Australian labour prices? Look at the price of the Chinese SKS for example?

Also, original British/Canadian/Australian Lee Enfield rifles of various marks were manufactured to Milspec in government contracted factories, proof tested by competent military armourers etc etc. Who is doing the QC inspection on these rifles? Who's proof testing them, ensuring the metallurgy/heat treatment/headspace are all up to full 100% quality standards, at least as safe, accurate and durable as the original rifles? Are spare parts available? What sort of manufacturer support is offered and available? If AIA is one hard to find guy in Australia and there are no offices or plant...and it seems that Lithgow is not involved...

These are the questions I'd want answered before deciding to buy one. I am not trying to put these rifles down or their dealers, I am a potential customer 100%. I have faith in Marstar and Wolverine so please don't be upset Johnone.

Perhaps the Australian distributor misinformed the Canadian dealers as to country of manufacture? It seems that's what happened with Tristar in the US. The issue seems to somewhat shrouded in murk...I had previously heard these were Vietnamese made. Full disclosure works very well for me and probably others. Many are intrigued by these rifles...
 
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