Aussie Enfields Now @ Marstar

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In various points of time, I've heard that Norc M14s are junk, Rems model 870 shotguns are junk, Savages are nothing but cheap crap, etc. So what? I own both M14 and Rem870 and pretty happy with their quality/performance/price ratio.

Canuck44
For me in you message, with all due respect, keyworks are: "knows his trade and his guns". Bob relies on someone else's opinion. He does't own one. Didn't even specify a model (7.62x39 or 7.62x51?) he was talking about. Period. Please give yourself a favor: save your time typing if you "Personally ... have no real interest in the gun one way or another". But thanks for info anyway.

Cheers
 
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Well, my heap of junk/snot /abortion /& other things No4Mk4 is in the mail. When it gets here, I'll give a full report with pics. Better to get your info first hand, no?
 
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Dave has been a professional hunter for sometime. If you take the time to check oout his posts you might learn something about reloading and shooting you don't know already.

As far as posting his opinion, buy the guns if you want to. I suspect though that Dave may know more about Lee Enfield rifles than a good number on this forum and for those who have a passing interest in the gun other than it looks like our old battle rifle it might be worth noting his opinion. The guns are not made in Australia they are made in Vietnam totaly. So to describe them as an Aussie rifle is more than a bit of a stretch. Imported from a supplier from Australia who imports the guns into Australia from Vietnam might be a better way of putting it.

Thank-you for your advice as to what I post, I'll take your opinion under advice but I forewarn you I may just ignore it. This gun did have a interest for me until I got Dave's message.

Stevo - you might get the info first hand if you buy one, but when you post your results it will be 2nd hand to the rest of us.

Take Care

Bob
 
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I have several no 1, no 4 and no5 enfields, I just ordered an M10 B2 Match from Wolverine yesterday. If they shoot as well as claimed by the Australians, they are a screaming buy. Only time and good ammo will tell. Bearhunter
 
johnone said:
CANUCK SHOOTER:
Well now, it would seem Marstar has been degraded yet again....
According to you "makes me nervous when buying from a small company like this when it comes to replacement parts, warranty etc..."
Do you not understand the Ironclad Warranty Policy at Marstar ? Thousands upon thousands of customers do understand it ?????

I look forward to your further comments
John
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Thousands upon thousands have used the Ironclad Warranty to return stuff?:D
Not making much of an arguement for your shop there John.......:rolleyes:
 
Stevo - you might get the info first hand if you buy one, but when you post your results it will be 2nd hand to the rest of us.
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Bob, when I pass info directly, it's still first hand. When you pass my info to someone, it's second hand.

Your implication that my report will be somehow diminished by posting it here is insulting.

I can quote experts of every type who will say that any firearm ever manufactured is junk. Just like I can quote experts who will say the exact opposite.

Thanks for passing on your warning.
 
Hitzy said:
Thousands upon thousands have used the Ironclad Warranty to return stuff?:D
Not making much of an arguement for your shop there John.......:rolleyes:
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Hitzy, that's not what he said. He said they "understand" the warranty, not that they've used it.

Can you guys please bury the hatchet? And not in each other, preferrably.;)
 
Stevo said:
Hitzy, that's not what he said. He said they "understand" the warranty, not that they've used it.

Can you guys please bury the hatchet? And not in each other, preferrably.;)
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Aww, c'mon, it was funny......:)
 
Canuck44
Probably I have a lot to learn, who hasn't? ;)
I'm not questioning his hunting/guns competence (first because I don't know the guy ;)), but I do question his opinion as it looks to me it is full of prejudice and was not formed by first hand experience. Did he take this rifle into field or at least shot one a lot? There was no mentioning of that. Actually there wasn't anything informative in his writing.

Forgive me but repeating again and again your sentence about country of manufacture is just silly - how many things on you and around you have a label "Made in Canada"? ;)

Anyway, same as bearhunter and others non-reliant on grapevine in judjement, I'd rather hold on with my opinion and wait till I handle the rifle myself.

Cheers

P.S.
Feel free to ignore my posts about Rosses, ARs, Yugo SKS (if you happen to see one) as I have neither own them nor have a desire to.
 
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Stevo

Your implication that my report will be somehow diminished by posting it here is insulting

Don't know why. If I shoot a gun and form an opinion it is 1st hand when I learn about your experiences it is 2nd hand.

I am sure you have a great deal of experience as a rifle shooter. I know Dave is not the most articulate person in the world but he has shot out more Lee Enfield barrels then any man I know of due to his occupation so I rather suspect he knows of what he speaks. I am not one to plunk down $700 bucks to find out whether a gun that is made in Vietnam using an action designed for a rimmed cartridge is any good shooting a rimless cartridge when there are better actions available to me. NOw if somebody builds a Lee Enfield look alike using a Mauser action I could get excited cause I like the the look of the Lee Enfield.

Still trying to justify buying a mint Longbranch. Actually putting the funds together might be a better way to put it. Have a few other guns I would shoot a lot more ahead of the Longbranch unfortunately.

Take Care

Bob
 
Stevo said:
Hitzy, that's not what he said. He said they "understand" the warranty, not that they've used it.

Can you guys please bury the hatchet? And not in each other, preferrably.;)
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God, being in business is not easy...you do your best to bring in appealing things for people and then someone is always waiting to trash it...I hope they're good rifles.
 
I would be interested in something with mauser action, cromed barrel, detachable mag ... etc., too. But... There is a rifle already around I want to give try, with everything I want but mauser action ;). Sounds like a plan to me, given I don't care how it looks.
 
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By way of background my friend served with Australian Special Forces in Vietnam. After the war ended he became a Professional Hunter, a trade he continues to pursue on and off to this day.

In my last post I alluded to the fact he has shot out a number of Lee Enfields. He has a barrel maker that rebarrels the guns for him. Now any guy that has shot out more than one Lee Enfield in his lifetime knows something about shooting and guns. If I can manage to stay up tonite I'll try to catch him in the Chat room and we can discuss this gun in more detail. If you go to the Reloader Forum and view some of his posts you may get a better understanding of the guy. He certainly would not post a negative comment unless there was something to it.

As far as the guns coming out of Vietnam is concerned, fair enough they may have a good quality arms industry there. BUT this gun is not an "Aussie Lee Enfield" as I first thought it was. The company that imports the guns into Australia maybe Australian but I initally was under the impression the gun was made in Australia.

When you get your gun I will be interested to hear how it shoots. I am going to wait until I hear from Dave though, you might to, could save you a buck or two.

Take Care

Bob
 
Appreciate it Canuck44. Would be nice to hear his pros and cons, but please make sure he specifies a model and (if known and relevant) a year of production.
 
I'm still waiting for the official CGN range reports.

I really like the look of these rifles and the headspacing and barrel nut arrangement offer a wide range of posiabilities when it comes to swapping barrels.

lets say just in the 308 cartridge family and no bolt head adjustments, .243 - .358

now throw in a few wildcats and go with a nearly straight wall case and you up to what .45 caliber :)

what to do what to do.

I was looking at sending one of my bitster bubba's away for rebarreling to something interesting (.358/303) but now I'm confused

I need first hand range reports.
 
Canuck44 said:
Well since I jumped in here I thought why not jump in full bore. Here is a discussion about the rifles. some like it sonme don't.

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=175619

More as I find it.

Take Care

Bob
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From that site:

<Sigh...
I have both the 7.62x39mm & 7.62x51mm M10's.
Yes, they are well made - not to Remchester standards but very good none the less. Wood is teak and a bit heavy.
Both rifles have worked perfectly out of the cartons.

My 7.62x39 does MOA even with the copper washed chinese military ball. Shoots the same as Winchester factory ammo.
The 7.62x51 is outstanding with .308 Palma Match ammo.
I utilise it for sniper matches.

Some 7.62x39mm rilfe owners have had problems with feeding - they don't operate the bolts hard / fast enough - they are an Enfield after all.

The business is poorly managed. The guns are stored at an Agency in Queensland and the owner drops by from time to time. Aparently little or no stocks of spares are kept. No schematic or listing of part numbers either or so I'm told by my local dealer.

So there you have it - from an owner. Totally happy with my purchases.>
 
I spoke to the guy from Tristar in the US the other day. He said out of about 300 7.62X39 rifles he sold he had problems with one that wouldn't feed.

I asked why he didn't sell the .308 No 4 rifles, he said he was unable to get any.

Take that how you want...he may or may not be credible.
 
Cantom

If you are going to quote from the thread I posted then post both sides. Here is another quote from a guy who owned one.


"I had one. Horrendous POS. Would not feed 7 out of 10 rounds from the AK mag.
The bolt head was a redesign for the rimless 7.62x39....it would just punch rounds loose out ahead of it to jam on the feedramp.

Worse still was Tristar's service. This was a $600.00 plus rifle with a 5 year warranty. Returned 3 separate times at our expense, it was returned each time with no work having been performed and no explanation. Several weeks and ignored phone calls between each return. Their "in house gunsmith" apparently had his phone disconnected after our first chat.

Only after literally being assured that yes, they would be sued in small claims court in Kansas City, did Tristar arrange a refund at the dealer where it was purchased.
Run, Run from this gun"

and another:

"The ones kept at home in Oz may indeed be nice guns. The 7.62x39's that made it over here were nightmares. Sabre Defense Inc. was to be the second U.S. importer after Tristar; until they accumulated a half dozen of these rifles....all unable to feed.

No matter how the bolt was manipulated there was no feeding going on. We tried it, Sabre Defense tried, no bulleto inno the barrelo. The feed ramp was a welded in affair, looked like a hunk of bar stock in there.

We were really worried about gunmaking in Oz after receiving this abortion. Much relief to learn that the rifle was cobbled together in Vietnam"

Take Care

Bob
 
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