Australian International Arms M10 B1 Sport rifle

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There are aspects about this situation that I don't think anyone understands. I know that I don't. It's compounded by AIA not responding to anyone. Here we have a brand new product made in a foreign country. Who is legally responsible if it blows up in someone's face here in Canada? These are not surplus arms. They're brand new.

We have certain legal rights for new products. We're protected do a large degree. Whether it's a toaster, automobile and any other newly manufactured good. Doesn't it concern anyone that no one from AIA is willing to talk? Should something bad happen, I guess Marstar is going to take it squarely on the chin.

I'm beginning to think that this may have been part of the problem Tristar and Sabre Defence had when dealing with AIA a few years ago. The Americans aren't stupid.
 
Excuse me for my mistrust of most American government departments.
I just happen to believe that there is much more to the State Depts actions than simply consumer safety.
And don't worry, I'm not fussy in my cynicism.
There are plenty of Australian departments who's doorstep I would not darken except by coercion.
I'm also not defending AIA.
I have no doubt that there are shady things going on.
 
It has nothing to do with US government departments. Two private businesses turned down AIA. The State Dept, or any other dep't for that matter, had nothing to do with it.

Tristar and SDI both terminated their business dealings with AIA for reasons that had nothing to do with governments.
 
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As I see it takes much of your efforts to persuade yourself not to buy AIA Aussie-Viet rifle... Getting rediculous.
If you would happen to find answers - good, but I treat it as a quasi-milsurplus rifle;) and expect same level of "end-user support" as I would get on Ishy or Carcano.
 
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"but I treat it as a quasi-milsurplus rifle;) and expect same level of "end-user support" as I would get on Ishy or Carcano."

What, no 1-800 number if I need Tech support on an Ishy? Since the rest of the world has moved it's Tech Support to India, you'd think an Indian company would be a leader on that one. :runaway:
 
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"but I treat it as a quasi-milsurplus rifle;) and expect same level of "end-user support" as I would get on Ishy or Carcano."

What, no 1-800 number if I need Tech support on an Ishy? Since the rest of the world has moved it's Tech Support to India, you'd think an Indian company would be a leader on that one. :runaway:
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Decaffeinated? Are you kidding? No taste at all...gotta have my Timmy's Jolt every morning eh? :) :D ;)
There, now that the important business is taken care of...
 
I don't know if these rifles are going to be around for sale in North America a lot longer.

Get one while you still can. They are damn good rifles, well made and shoot well.

If a company such as AIA has such poor communication skills or practices, that is usually a death knell.

People in North America do a lot of research on their firearms and like to be acknowleged.

So far mine is the only one I've seen at the range. It draws a lot of interest, but when price is mentioned, most people back off.

The AIA rifles have a very limited market here and will soon satisfy its needs. When that happens, there won't be any more ordered and supply will dry up.

Will that drive the prices up on these rifles? I don't know. I do know that I really like my M10 B4 Match model very much and I'm really looking forward to some long range shooting with it as it seems to be capable of very good accuracy. bearhunter
 
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Steve
As I see it takes much of your efforts to persuade yourself not to buy AIA Aussie-Viet rifle... Getting rediculous.
If you would happen to find answers - good, but I treat it as a quasi-milsurplus rifle;) and expect same level of "end-user support" as I would get on Ishy or Carcano.
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I don't understand what you mean in your first sentence. I don't need to exert any effort to keep myself from buying one.

Since this is a new product, legally there must be much more end user support than a surplus rifle. The more I dig the more I'm convinced that someone is lining their pockets big time. It may be Marstar or it maybe AIA. That I do not know. A SE Asian product that sells for that much is pouring gold into someone's pocket. As near as I can figure, they're worth about what you'd pay for a Norinco.

I hope bearhunter is right and these things go away. Maybe a responisble businessman will start making them. Of the ones that are already here, well, the people that bought one may have a nest egg or a tomato stake. Time will tell.

The shooting world will be no worse off when they disappear.
 
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I don't understand what you mean in your first sentence. I don't need to exert any effort to keep myself from buying one.

Since this is a new product, legally there must be much more end user support than a surplus rifle. The more I dig the more I'm convinced that someone is lining their pockets big time. It may be Marstar or it maybe AIA. That I do not know. A SE Asian product that sells for that much is pouring gold into someone's pocket. As near as I can figure, they're worth about what you'd pay for a Norinco.

I hope bearhunter is right and these things go away. Maybe a responisble businessman will start making them. Of the ones that are already here, well, the people that bought one may have a nest egg or a tomato stake. Time will tell.

The shooting world will be no worse off when they disappear.
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Interesting that those of us who own one seem to like them eh?
How does that fit into the picture?
I defy anyone to handle one and not be impressed. (except Steve :) )

BTW, I am not a Norinco fan. I had an SKS, never liked it (it was a good rifle admittedly), handled many Norinco M14's, shotguns etc, plus I've read many comments about Norinco shotguns and other arms, nothing about them impresses me except the low price.
 
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I don't know. When some of Lever's SKS rifle had barrels start foreward, what did they do? What is Lever's waranty? Do they have one? Marstar's Norinco warranty is public, and very specific. Marstar's AIA waranty is also public, and very specific.
If a firearm were to catastrophically fail as a result of a manufacturing defect, and the firearm is made outside of the country is there any way that the manufacturer can be held liable? Can a foreign company with no presence or assets in this country be sued? It would seem that the importer/distributor is going to be on the hook.
As far as surplus firearms are concerned, I think that the shooter is basically on his own - make the decision to shoot the thing, you are responsible for the consequences.
If its a new, commercial firearm, whether a $150 SKS or $900 AIA, there is the expectation that the firearm is fit for use.
For what its worth, I suspect it is easier to make contact with Norinco than with AIA.
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That's pretty much it. When an off shore product is sold here, the importer/distributor essentially becomes the manufacturer in the eyes of a judge when liability is called into question.
 
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The shooting world will be no worse off when they disappear.
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I don't know about that. They look like a lot of fun to me, I just can't afford one at this point in time. I hope they hang around and the price comes down. I'd love a chance to shoot one. Any gun is a good gun in a world where liberal's and lefty's want to take them all away!
 
"they're worth about what you'd pay for a Norinco."
To me they represent what I always wanted - Enfield bolt action, in popular calber with large selection of ammo, crome lined bore, datacheable mag. All made nice and tight, unlike Norc. The was none like this before, not sure what will be after.

"A SE Asian product that sells for that much is pouring gold into someone's pocket." What difference does it make to you? Envy?
 
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"they're worth about what you'd pay for a Norinco."
To me they represent what I always wanted - Enfield bolt action, in popular calber with large selection of ammo, crome lined bore, datacheable mag. All made nice and tight, unlike Norc. The was none like this before, not sure what will be after.

"A SE Asian product that sells for that much is pouring gold into someone's pocket." What difference does it make to you? Envy?
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They're also expensive in Australia, actually higher than here judging by the prices I've seen...so it's not likely Marstar jacking up the price.
 
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"they're worth about what you'd pay for a Norinco."
To me they represent what I always wanted - Enfield bolt action, in popular calber with large selection of ammo, crome lined bore, datacheable mag. All made nice and tight, unlike Norc. The was none like this before, not sure what will be after.

"A SE Asian product that sells for that much is pouring gold into someone's pocket." What difference does it make to you? Envy?
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Hardly. But if you have an ax to grind, please bring it on. You can reach me at steve@303british.com
 
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