Authorization to carry (Alberta or BC)
- Thread starter Hairy Krisna
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or you short circut the whole thing and carry a MARE'S LEG- most of the guns used for this are pretty substantial- ie 44 mag and above in horsepower, - when you measure the oal against a mare's leg, ( forget the snubbies and anything under 4 inches as the recoil and noise will be too severe for most folks anyway) ands see where you're at- above all, PRACTICE - most folks put it away until needed, then don't have time or muscle memory to USE it- you won't have time to THINK
Crorection...
I have a Rossi RH in .45 Colt and a not that good of a holster but it is very fast draw and as I practice my draw with it will be use-full to me when and if needed... I would rather have a larger hand gun.
Correction I am not happy with the holster it is well made I just don't like where is sits.
I have a Rossi RH in .45 Colt and a not that good of a holster but it is very fast draw and as I practice my draw with it will be use-full to me when and if needed... I would rather have a larger hand gun.
Correction I am not happy with the holster it is well made I just don't like where is sits.
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Scott Bear
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- Location
- Prince George
They would just tell you to get one of the big cans of bear spray.
Before they even sent me my application package, the officer was trying to tell me I should just carry a shotgun.
Apply and get denied. Its good idea to show how the CFP and how they do not care about the citizens of this country and against charter of rights as to safety of a person. And the truth is... as far as LEOs It is not a job. Its a lifestyle. Once a cop always a cop and in my opinion they should be allowed to carry concealed off duty. I say that because my friend is a cop and work he did before was and is dangerous to his personal off duty safety even now.
Yes... but whats 3 legal shots against 6 or to 10 in a restricted? and 3 pound handgun in holster against 15 pound shotgun in your hand or on your back. Their logic is hopeless. Besides. The suggestion is given to someone... how would they feel if it was them in the position??
Some what of an aside, but the prevalent scenario people envision is our beleaguered hero stopping the charging nasty critter with a well placed shot or two. And certainly, a long arm is much easier to shoot accurately and generally can be expected to have a lot more stopping power.
The 2000 lb elephant in the kitchen that nobody thinks about (or wants to talk about) is that a lot of people find themselves needing a bear wrench AFTER they find themselves on the ground being gnawed on. What are your plans for getting your long gun into action in THAT situation, with it underneath you, only one hand free, etc? A handgun is short enough and intended for one handed use that you can get it out of a holster, and start putting holes in fur at contact distances with one hand while your other arm is being chewed on, busy trying to defend yourself, etc. A couple of years ago, just across the border south of here, a Montana hunter shot a cougar off his back with a handgun when it had him down on his stomach and was trying to chew its way through his backpack to his neck. I can't imagine I would ever have my rifle AND a handgun while out elk hunting as he was, but he certainly wasn't in a position to bring his big game rifle into the effort. Stories of people carrying handguns who used them to resolve the issue while down and fighting for their life with a critter are not unusual. Yes, there is also bear spray, but spraying a bear's ass while the biting end is working on your legs is probably not going to be that effective at getting their attention.
Somebody might ask the officer who advised "just get a shotgun" how he personally would deal with that issue.
I have an ATC and have had one for quite a while for my sideline business. Based only on my own experiences, if you fit the magic criteria of "works in the bush" and explain why carrying a "more effective long gun" (see above) won't suit your work conditions, it is pretty routine after that. In fact, they waived their requirement that I present myself to a local club's range officer or an RCMP officer to desplay and get signed off on my competence when I sent them CF bumpf indicating I was small arms instructor and urban ops instructor qualified. Given that the range officer in question could have been nothing but a diehard skeet shooter or the member one who just barely passes their annual qualification, that might have been a very interesting session indeed. I would like to see how they did it! Similar to a CF austere range shoot, perhaps? Teddy bear mounted on a post a dozen feet away?
Relevant to the situation at hand, by all means mount a legal challenge if you want. No point declaring defeat before you ever start. But I think the chances that the Canadian government bureaucracy (i.e. the people who REALLY decide issues like this, not the government of the day) will relent are exactly zero. Similarly, I don't think it is sufficient an issue that the elected critters in Ottawa will get involved and order them to change their policies. If hikers and fishermen were being killed by the dozen, perhaps, but that isn't happening enough to justify the "risk".
After all, we all know that somebody might put out an eye if defensive handgun carry in backcountry areas were allowed.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
You've stated what the ATC is not for, so what is it for? The ATC is usually tied to some commercial rather than recreational activity, so you might qualify if you are a geologist, prospector, pilot, biologist, or bear researcher. The fact that you don't seem to be interested in working in remote locations seems to rule those out though. If you're looking for government sanction to carry a pistol in an urban environment, your chances aren't great, but you might win if you are involved with selling or transporting high value assets like diamonds and such.
- Location
- Center of the Universe
Absolutely not. Police officers aren't allowed to take their sidearm out of the station when they're off duty, unless they get permission from their supervisor/sergeant. Even then, they have to have a specific reason (ie: going to the range, going to a paid duty, or court). In those situations they, are required to sign out a police issue lock box, and they must transport under the same conditions as a standard ATT. To obtain an ATC, they would have to apply like everyone else, and their chances are just as bad. (though there are a few work-related circumstances that might help their chances - say, if someone they arrested has been released from jail, and poses a credible threat).
Another situation occurred recently where a female officer was allowed to carry her duty pistol at all times, because her ex-husband (also a police officer) had threatened her and had already violated a protective order. Again, this is a rare circumstance.
When off duty, police are off duty. They are not required to carry their id/badge, or even identify themselves if they don't want to if they are in proximity to a incident or confrontation. (most prefer not to)
Basically... the complete opposite of everything you've learned about American police on t.v.
