Authorization to carry: British Columbia
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Have a very good friend here on the island that has his atc for the bush. Carriers a S&W Model 29 6 in. barrel , keeps up practice with the ammo to be field used. Qualifications are harder bureaucraticly than actual use. As note to this point in time it has not been needed in use , most have been bluffs or he has had the chance to backtrack out of danger.
The Qualification was a small bear silhouette at maybe 15 meters but to simulate further away.
I was able to pass it with a stock norinco .45 There were a couple other drills that were easier. I think the bigger issue is finding someone local certified to issue you a pass/fail as I think the ATC Tester is a separate certification.
Not disputing the utility of an ATC in the bush, but dude with the Moose was a dumbass. I hate seeing nonsense like that used as ‘justification’. Dude did absolutely everything wrong and then used the gun to get himself out of the situation he put himself into.
onetwentyish
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- East Central AB (AKA Northern Texas)
I don't disagree that he threw gasoline on the situation but I'm not entirely sure that the Moose would have left him alone if he didn't proceed down the trail trying to get it to move either.
I don't know what caliber of Glock it was but it shows the effectiveness on large animals all the same... it was most likely a 9 mil but possibly a .45 or a 10... so carrying a revolver these days when you have access to better equipment just stupid.
And as far as that goes, if you're still of the belief that you need 357 or 44 mag, or even a .50, I would be looking at a desert eagle or a Conan 1911, but I personally believe these are overkill and your sacrificing carriability, mag capacity, ergonomics, and possibly reliability imo.
No reason to approach. Backtrack and wait it out as soon as the Moose starts standing it’s ground. Don’t ride up on it. 180 and create distance after the bluff charge...that Moose doesn’t want to fight, it wants you to go away. This guy 100% created the situation through impatience and/or ignorance.
Best defence a person has when interacting with wildlife, as when dealing with people, is their head. Become educated, maintain awareness, avoid conflict.
I don’t have an ATC, however I would also choose a semi-auto, at least to start. It has nothing to do with the cartridges available and everything to do with comfort/proficiency. Does .44Mag outclass 10mm? Certainly. But it doesn’t mean much if you aren’t proficient. It would probably be worth it to become proficient and transition to the better tool, however.
- Location
- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Here’s some info on the POP requirements from the application package I was sent.
CHIEF FIREARMS OFFICER FOR BRITISH COLUMBIA AND YUKON PROOF OF FIREARMS PROFICIENCY FOR THE PROTECTION OF LIFE IN REMOTE WILDERNESS AREAS
INFORMATION SHEET
Administrator:
• The Proof of Proficiency (POP) must be administered by an individual who holds a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) for restricted firearms at the time of the administration AND who is a range safety officer OR a member of an approved shooting range executive OR is an instructor for a recognized firearms course or discipline.
Firearms:
• The firearm used during the POP must be the same firearm the applicant intends to use for wilderness protection.
• An applicant can only apply for a maximum of two firearms to be listed on their Authorization to Carry (ATC) and a
POP must be completed for each firearm.
• The minimum calibre accepted for wilderness protection is .357 Magnum.
Ammunition:
• The type of ammunition used during the POP must have a similar muzzle velocity, caliber and bullet weight as the ammunition that the applicant intends to use for wilderness protection.
Holsters:
• Holsters must be designed to be worn on a belt around the waist, outside of clothing and have at least one strap with a snap closure that retains the firearm securely in the holster.
• The holster must be designed to completely cover the trigger.
• A holster and a holster retention device must be used during the POP.
• Shoulder and cross-draw holsters are not permitted.
Targets:
• Steel targets are not permitted.
Assessment:
• The applicant must shoot in both standing and kneeling positions for each distance (5, 10 and 15 metres).
• For each firing position at each distance, the applicant must discharge six (6) rounds, unsupported, within 20 seconds,
in one continuous motion.
Scoring:
• The administrator must indicate the total number of hits for each shooting position and distance. A hit is awarded when a round lands on the designated scoring area of the target. The designated scoring area is defined as being a circle with a radius of 9 inches or 23 cm.
• The applicant must achieve 15 hits for every 18 rounds fired for each shooting position.
• If an applicant fails to achieve the minimum pass mark, the applicant must be retested for the failed shooting position
at all three distances.
• An applicant can only attempt a maximum of two retests for each shooting distance.
• If an applicant fails to achieve the minimum pass mark after three attempts for any distance, the applicant cannot
attempt to do the POP assessment until after a minimum of 30 days have passed.
• The administrator must submit all POP assessment results* – pass or fail – to the Chief Firearms Officer of their jurisdiction
