Availability of .36 or .44 cal cap and ball revolver round balls?

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Hey guys I'm thinking of getting a cap and ball revolver, now I need to decide whether to get the .36 or .44 cal

The biggest factor influencing my decision is availability of round ball ammo for these.

It seems .375" and .454" round ball ammo is a lot less available in canada than the states, because all my google searches are bringing up locations from the USA. The few places I looked seemed to be out of stock, and a lot of what is in stock are undersized muzzleloading rifle round balls intended for use with patches (.350" for 36, .433" for 44).

I've also heard that #0000 buckshot is .375" and could be used in the .36 cal revolvers, but nobody seems to have that available either.

Anyone have any experience with this?
 
I don't know where on the west coast you are but here in Victoria you can definitely find the Hornady .375 round ball for sale at Pullen's gunstore. I am not sure if he still has stock but I bought two boxes before the pandemic started.
 
I got my Hornady lead balls in 36 and 44 from SFRC. They didn't have them in stock but quickly looked them up on their suppliers website and said, yep they're both available and it'll take a week to get here.

Go to your local store and have them order some in. You'll get them before your restricted transfer goes through...
 
I picked up some .454 round balls at Cabelas for my black powder cannon. I haven't checked recently but they were a regular stocked item at the time.
 
In my experience being able to source either of these can be very much hit or miss. In the (3) years I have been shooting percussion revolvers I have not found a single vendor in Canada who can be reliably counted on to have stock of round balls for percussion revolvers at any given time. That's why I started casing my own, get started can be expensive (~ $200.00) but you never have to worry after that.

Just my $0.02 cents worth.

Retreever
 
I don't know where on the west coast you are but here in Victoria you can definitely find the Hornady .375 round ball for sale at Pullen's gunstore. I am not sure if he still has stock but I bought two boxes before the pandemic started.
Lower mainland here, that's good to know but not worth the ferry fee

Rusty wood in Mission has em
thanks, called them up, turns out they had a couple boxes of .375" left, in addition to the .454 they had listed online.
Apparently they didn't list the .375" because they don't get it in very often, which is what i'm concerned about for future availability.

In my experience being able to source either of these can be very much hit or miss. In the (3) years I have been shooting percussion revolvers I have not found a single vendor in Canada who can be reliably counted on to have stock of round balls for percussion revolvers at any given time. That's why I started casing my own, get started can be expensive (~ $200.00) but you never have to worry after that.
Yes, this is what I'm most concerned about. It seems like online listings are inconsistent; from calling rustywood, local stores are a hit and miss; and big box stores like Cabelas don't seem to have the cap and ball sized calibers in stock. In your experience was it easier to find .375" or .454" balls? I'm not looking to get into casting anytime soon.
 
Yes, this is what I'm most concerned about. It seems like online listings are inconsistent; from calling rustywood, local stores are a hit and miss; and big box stores like Cabelas don't seem to have the cap and ball sized calibers in stock. In your experience was it easier to find .375" or .454" balls? I'm not looking to get into casting anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

I have found the .454 balls the most common, the .44 cal percussion revolvers seem to be most popular based on watching ####### for the last couple of years.

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Generally, unless you are doing cowboy action the volumes of shooting is going to be pretty low with cap and ball. 40 rounds would be a big day for most.

Casting might sound intimidating but the barriers to entry are very very low. When I first started casting it was with a steel pot from the thrift store, a large tablespoon bent into a ladle with pliers and an old hotplate. Find some pure lead and you are in business for under $50. Free bullets after the first few hundred compared to store bought.

I believe there's a couple lots of round balls on the EE currently too.
 
As mentioned in the above post-
Casting equipment isn't required for a few round balls.
A Lee RB dual cavity mold-$25
A enamel Qt size sauce pan
A spoon/ladle
A gas burner
A few Lbs of pure lead
2 stroke pre mix oil for sprue plate & Handle pivot point lubrication.

I cast w/ 2 RCBS Pro Melts-1 for pure lead Mzl Loader bullets & 1 for hard cast pistol & rifle projectiles w/45+ mold options on hand.

Gas check prices today are ridiculous!
 
Take some advice from someone with experience with both calibers.

Go with the 44. I have had several 36 caliber guns and loading was much tougher than the 44 (Ruger Old Army currently). Smaller bore means it fouls faster.

And as others have said, investing in a casting rig and get some pure or near pure lead.
 
this spring I plan to cast up a bunch of 36 and 44 balls to put on here for sale. my prices will be very fair, and I have lots of pure lead on hand to use. at the moment I am working 12 hour shifts on lobster so casting at the moment is out of the question.
 
I will go along with tbrwlf, too. But for another reason: Where the .44 c&b revolvers really shine is in their versatility. Since nominal bore diameter for the .44 is actually .451"(Some can measure .454"....up to .457", in the Ruger Old Army) they are easily converted to shoot .45 Colt cartridges, by means of a cartridge conversion cylinder. The cylinders just swap right out.

You can get .38 Long/Short Colt cartridge conversion cylinders for .36 c&b revolvers too. But, since nominal bore diameter for the .36 is .375", reloading these cartridges(Based on .38 Special case) to attain reasonable accuracy can be a much harder proposition. Can be done, though. Die sets are available through Lee Precision. The Long Colt isn't a hard cartridge to load for. Fun with bp. Bullet selection is really the only hard part.

You may not wish to follow either of these options, but worth mentioning.

Al

ps: Conversion cylinders are available through Taylors & Company.
 
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I have found the .454 balls the most common, the .44 cal percussion revolvers seem to be most popular based on watching ####### for the last couple of years.
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Take some advice from someone with experience with both calibers.

Go with the 44. I have had several 36 caliber guns and loading was much tougher than the 44 (Ruger Old Army currently). Smaller bore means it fouls faster.

Thanks guys, looks like the general consensus is 44 is more popular than 36, and easier to buy round balls for. I was originally hoping the .375" would be common enough to save some money on powder (since 1lb of powder means ~230 shots of 30gr charge for 44 cal vs ~350 shots of 20gr charge for a 36 cal), but if the balls are impossible to get then that would not make up for it.

I will go along with tbrwlf, too. But for another reason: Where the .44 c&b revolvers really shine is in their versatility. Since nominal bore diameter for the .44 is actually .451"(Some can measure .454"....up to .457", in the Ruger Old Army) they are easily converted to shoot .45 Colt cartridges, by means of a cartridge conversion cylinder. The cylinders just swap right out.

You can get .38 Long/Short Colt cartridge conversion cylinders for .36 c&b revolvers too. But, since nominal bore diameter for the .36 is .375", reloading these cartridges(Based on .38 Special case) to attain reasonable accuracy can be a much harder proposition. Can be done, though. Die sets are available through Lee Precision. The Long Colt isn't a hard cartridge to load for. Fun with bp. Bullet selection is really the only hard part.

that's an interesting idea -- what are the regulations on the conversion cylinders, do you need to get a separate registration for each one?
 
Might be worth reaching out to proline shooters in Calgary. They are pretty passionate about cowboy action and black powder and will probably have something. This side of shooting is a little obscure so don't be afraid to call shops because they may not move enough inventory to make it worth adding stuff to their website. Also, casting is very therapeutic if you have the space to do it.
 
Proline is a great place for this stuff. Gf ordered a Uberti Walker and was really happy with the people and service there.
If they don't have what you need they can probably help finding it.
 
orangemushroom: You are right....the .36 cal is more economical to shoot. In fact, Mike Beliveau(duelist1954) recommends this caliber as a good first c&b revolver. By the way, if you're looking for good, solid information on c&b revolvers or bp shooting in general, this is one the very best sites on youtube. Highly recommend it. I started out with an 1851 Colt, then progressed to the 1860 version later. And thoroughly enjoyed both. I would not consider one necessarily better than the other. Though I do consider the '51 Navy as having the best balance and handling, among all the cap and ball revolvers. It boils down to personal taste.

Admittedly, I haven't had to buy any new cylinders (whether cartridge conversion or percussion) for some years. So not completely up to date with whatever magical new gun laws may have popped up overnight. The so-called "evergreen" laws the Libs like to talk about. So as far as my knowledge goes, the frame of the revolver is the registered part.. Things like barrels, cylinders etc., are still considered spare parts. So do not require any special consideration. I am sure there are more knowledgeable members of the forum who can speak to this, if wrong.

Should you wish to shoot either smokeless or bp cartridge interchangeably, you might also consider the so-called "conversion"-type revolvers. This includes modern reproductions such as: "The New Model Army". "Army". "Navy" and "Open-top" conversions....as currently sold under the Uberti brand. These reproductions copy some of the early cartridge conversion revolvers that appeared shortly after the American Civil War, and were at the time, a popular way to turn previously cap and ball revolvers into cartridge guns. They are still a very popular and period-correct way to enjoy these Wild West reproductions. Worth a look.

The " '51 Navy"....ie: The very popular Uberti 1851 Navy conversion revolver, for example, is chambered in .38 Special and features a .357" dia. bore. So easily accommodates modern .38 cal. ammo. Likewise, the various 1858/1860, 1871/72 cartridge guns. These are primarlly chambered in either .38 Special, or .45 Colt. But have been available in limited runs of .44 Special. As a matter of interest, I am fond of the 1871/72 revolvers, so may add a couple of these to the stable too, in the near future.

This may muddy the water a bit more, in your quest to own a cap and ball revolver(I believe everyone should own at least one)...but might at least offer further insight into revolver choices and options.

Al

ps: As already suggested by others, if you are set up to cast your own ball, this is the best way to avoid any headaches in sourcing them. Leaving you free to choose whichever caliber you like. Requires little in the way of equipment or cost. Just a place to cast.
 
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