B.C. 4-point mulie discussion

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Mainly the reason why B.C. hunters don't count the brow tines on the mulies but do count them on whitetails is because of the stupid hunting regulations.

When its a 4-point only mulie season its 4 points not including the brow tines for mulies.

But when its a 4-point whitetail season you can count the brow tines, so its 3points plus the brows = 4 points

I have always thought the rules were stupid regarding this, you can have a mulie that NEVER reaches 4-point status, dies of old age as a Massive 3 point, plus not all mulies have brow tines so if they do, they should count.

Another thing is when you score it B&C or SCI you get to measure the brows on the mulie, this tells me that a 4-point B.C. mulie is actually a 5-point mulie its just that the stupid biologists want to screw with out heads

Heres a B.C. question, if you see a mulie that is a 3 point with split double browtines on one side is he a 4 point ?

This guy here is a bonified 4 point with double brows on one side, BUT if he was a 3 point would he be legal in a 4-point season?

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Brow is a brow on a mulie and I have to say I am a big fan of the 4-pt system. I have a friend that believes the 4pt rule is changing the gene pool to mutants that never develop into big racked animals but he also likes to put in for doe draws every year of which I have never been a fan of. All I can say is that there does seem to be better hunting now than there has been in a decade.
 
Gene

I have a pal who has that same gene pool theory, but I don't believe it.
 
open-sights said:
Brow is a brow on a mulie and I have to say I am a big fan of the 4-pt system. I have a friend that believes the 4pt rule is changing the gene pool to mutants that never develop into big racked animals but he also likes to put in for doe draws every year of which I have never been a fan of. All I can say is that there does seem to be better hunting now than there has been in a decade.
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But can you count the second brow as a point if it was a 3 point on the main frame.

Put it another way, if he was a mainframe 3 point with a non-typical sticker coming off another point he would be a legal 4 point. So why wouldn't you be able to count the second browtine. Its just another non-typical point regardless of where it is growing.??????

Brambles
 
the classic mature mule deer grows his antlers in a double forked way on each antler, making it a " 4 x 4 " , often big mulies won't even have brow tines to count.

whitetails almost ALWAYS have brow tines, and some mighty long ones at that. they grow their antlers with tines coming off a sweeping main beam, and a mature typical whitetail will grow 4-5 tines per side, including brows.

its really not all that odd, just take a look at the some pics of mature bucks from either species and you will see that there isnt a whole lot of big 3x3 mulies and there isnt a whole lot of mature whitetails that have no browtines!
 
todbartell said:
the classic mature mule deer grows his antlers in a double forked way on each antler, making it a " 4 x 4 " , often big mulies won't even have brow tines to count.

whitetails almost ALWAYS have brow tines, and some mighty long ones at that. they grow their antlers with tines coming off a sweeping main beam, and a mature typical whitetail will grow 4-5 tines per side, including brows.

its really not all that odd, just take a look at the some pics of mature bucks from either species and you will see that there isnt a whole lot of big 3x3 mulies and there isnt a whole lot of mature whitetails that have no browtines!
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Not sure where your going with this Todd:confused:

I took species identification 14 years ago when I started hunting:)

The question is, if the above deer was a mainframe 3-point would one of the double brows count as the 4th point. Just as any non-typical point on any deer is able to be counted, doesn't matter if its not in the Typical formation or where it grows????

Brambles
 
Brambles said:
Not sure where your going with this Todd:confused:

I took species identification 14 years ago when I started hunting:)

The question is, if the above deer was a mainframe 3-point would one of the double brows count as the 4th point. Just as any non-typical point on any deer is able to be counted, doesn't matter if its not in the Typical formation or where it grows????

Brambles
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Well the regs define brow tine as "Brow Tine - means the first tine projecting
forward or upward in the lower 1/3 of the antler of a moose, caribou, elk or deer." so therefore the SECOND brow tine would in fact legally be countable as the 4th tine if his mainframe only had 3.
 
i do not believe that it is due to the hunting regulations that the brow tine isn't counted. there has only been a 4 point rule where i am for the last few years and never in my life have i heard of anyone counting the browtine when describing a muley.

i believe that it is not counted because it is small or even absent on a mule deer.

i don't think the four point season is the perfect management tool, but i think it is the best option. the only other practical option would be LEH, which i don't think anybody really wants.
 
who knows where I was going with my post, I really didnt read your whole post :redface: missed your question. I thought you were ranting because the regs dont count brows on mulies but they do whitetails...anyways!

if that buck was a mainframe 3, with the split brow, Id have to pass on him. it could be legal, but ifs and buts dont go over well with CO's :( the regs state - 4 tines excluding the brow tine (that tells me that anything down around the brows don't count as a point)

Id pass
 
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todbartell said:
who knows where I was going with my post, I really didnt read your whole post :redface: missed your question. I thought you were ranting because the regs dont count brows on mulies but they do whitetails...anyways!

if that buck was a mainframe 3, with the split brow, Id have to pass on him. it could be legal, but ifs and buts dont go over well with CO's :( the regs state - 4 tines excluding the brow tine (that tells me that anything down around the brows don't count as a point)

Id pass
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I would have to agree with Todd on this one.
 
Speaking of the genetics thing - this year in region 4, I saw a 3 point mule deer that was the biggest deer I've ever seen in my life. Antlers twice as wide as his ears, massive thick slightly palmated tines as long as my forearm, so big I could swear the ground shook when he walked by me, and he's only a 3x3. He had a dozen doe's with him, and was hanging out in an area where everybody and their dog hunts mule deer - so 4 pointer's don't last long in them parts. You can bet he's passing on genetics to way more deer than any hapless 4 point that happens to wander into the area ever will.

But as stated earlier, I'd take 4point only season over a LEH season ANY DAY!!!
 
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Here is the big 3 point my daughter shot last year.

He was a big-bodied mulie that had a live weight of over 350 pounds.

His rear tines are just over 20" long and he had a net score of 130, not too shabby for a 3 point!

When I cut back his lips to look at his teeth I was surprised to see he was at least 7 years old.

So was he an old deer regressing and going backwards or had he never been more than a 3 x 3??

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I'd pass on the double brow tine/3 point deer as well.

One of my buddies shot a HUGE bodied deer, not too far form here.

It had 3 big points on one huge, thick antler, and the other antler was this deforemed spike.

He mistook the deformed spike as a 4th point, and pulled the trigger.

He called me up that night, freaking out.."I shot a 3 point on the first day of 4 point season!! What do I do??"

I was about to tell him to call the CO and admit his mistake, when I looked at the calendar and said "4 point season starts TOMORROW, idiot!":D
 
I'd rather have a 4-point season over a leh any day as well. I hope you guys don't think thats what I'm saying.

Next time I see a C.O. I am going to ask him this question, to me if they have a split browtine then its just another non-typical point and should count as a point just because its next to the other browtine shouldn't disqualify it as legal point

Brambles
 
Gatehouse said:
One of my buddies shot a HUGE bodied deer, not too far form here.
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So there are some deer in Pemberton after all. Road trip guys!!!!

I'd pass on that deer also, It would hurt but it's the safest thing to do, rules wise.
 
It's game laws based on genetics. Same as that Tripaml moose stupidity. You can have a 60" moose in a Tripalm Bull area but if he ain't got that Tripalm gene, he's not legal. You just weed out the gene and eventually no more moose hunting because they're all "immature".

Not that I distrust the Provincial NDP.
 
In BC we have had some great years for deer, soft winters, dry springs and down cycles on predators, this all makes for young healthy deer. I saw many 3 pt bucks this year with huge bodies, doesn't mean they are not going to develop into a 4pt. Simply means that young deer are over developing bone due to great conditions, we had a 4pt deer shot this year that was only 3 years old, and a 3 pt that was a 2 year old. Also 2 w/t bucks I put down past weekend were younger than they should have been for the bone mass, 6x5 3 year old and a 5x5 I dont think was 3 yet. Makes for great hunting and fantastic eating.
 
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