B.C. game hunter's trail of deadly blunders results in 10-year ban

razorbeck said:
Exactly correct, how do you separate legal gall bladders from illegal ones? You can't so the only way to stop poaching is to make them all illegal.
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That part would be easy, the gall would need to have a license attached to it, just like game tags in MB ( not sure about other provinces) have separate tags for head, hide, and meat, you could have one for a gall bladder. Now, the reason it won't work is because a certain segment of Canada's population doesn't require licenses and doesn't have to adhere to seasons or bag limits, so they had to make it outright illegal to possess gall bladders.
 
hawk-i said:
Here one that studies Black Bears https://news.psu.edu/story/186685/2001/12/17/penn-state-study-shows-bears-are-major-predators-fawns
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Pennsylvania has one of the densest whitetail populations in North America and a very healthy black bear population, a combination that no Canadian province can match. In most provinces, especially the western ones, the highest deer numbers are found in open farm land, an area that has the least amount of bears, so to make a North America wide generalization about the predatory tendencies of black bears based on a study done in Pennsylvania? Well, it's a misleading statistic.
 
Black bears are opportunistic and intelligent, and won’t risk life and limb for a moose calf often thanks to the cow moose, that would be an exceptionally rare circumstance as they hunt alone; wolves are different. They’ll eat freshly dropped Deer fawns but that’s rare here too, probably as the window is so short. Mostly they scavenge and eat grass, sedges, shoots, tubers, berries, grubs, and locally what they can find on the beach from seaweed to mollusks. They take the easy road whenever it’s presented, and fighting to drag a moose calf away under the hoof storm from the cow is going to be a rare day. Certain it does happen but it’s no epidemic I can say for certain too.

I’ve been flying in BC since 2000, a vantage from which I’ve been lucky to watch almost all our predators in the act from Grizz down to fox and fishers, even Wolverine tearing fighting beavers out of the lodge and wolves disembowelling a standing Wood Bison. I’ve yet to see a Black bear actively in the hunt, but have seen utter thousands on grass. Fully aware they can be and are predatory, but they are hugely biased to vegetation here and small game they can dig from burrows. Grizzlies are a different story, I’ve seen them hunting mountain goat kids, and Black bears, which is nuts.
 
on the other hand..... I have watched black bear in the cariboo chase down and kill full size deer on 2 occasions. One outside of mcleese the bear came charging out of rock pile on the edge of a slide and ran down a passing group of deer, taking down a doe. Second was just a couple years ago right in the BC parks site at Green lake. A doe came charging out of no where right thru the camping areas with a very large black bear in hot pursuit. Dozens of vacationers and locals witnessed the event which ended with the bear killing and beginning to consume said deer. CO was called and did nothing as the bear was doing what it is naturally supposed to be doing. I'm sure some social media-ite got that one on thier cellphone video there was a lot of people around.
 
If a person is already poaching, what is a lifetime ban supposed to do exactly?

Gotta hit em where it hurts. A guy in Alaska lost his truck, boat, guns, and went to jail for killing denned black bears...

Andrew Renner, 41, was ordered to pay a $9,000 fine, forfeit a pickup truck, boat and trailer, weapons, skies and cell phones. His hunting license was revoked for 10 years.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/alaska-man-sentenced-bear-killings-1.4991098

Another guy shot 3 sub-legal bull moose and left them to rot... Punishment?
.Counts was fined $97,650 and ordered to pay $3,000 in restitution. He forfeited his rifle and an all-terrain vehicle and was sentenced to 270 days in jail.
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What's to stop him from shooting moose or elk? Once you are poaching, in for a penny in for a pound.

Fine hugely, then deport and ban re-entry. Jail time ensures we pay for his clown college
 
I recall reading an Alaskan study on black bear predation in moose calves. An enormous amount of calves are killed by predators (something like 60%) and black bears were responsible for 40% of that kill.

I have also seen black bear predation on deer and goats.
 
Here’s a quote
Black bears have been found to be the most important predator of moose calves in some areas of Alaska where grizzly bears are uncommon. In these areas, black bears killed about 40% of all moose calves that were born. Most predation was by adult males.
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hawk-i said:
So lets say this poacher shot 25 bears ....how many moose calves would YOU venture to guess the removal of those bears saved? While I don't condone the wasteful killing of the bears, I am saying there is a benefit to his actions too! If given the choice, I'd pick more moose, less bears everyday all day long.
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I'll bet you did not read the article nor the Environmental Appeal Board decision attached to it.
 
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