B&C on long-range shooting
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Read a hunt report of a rich guy hunting desert sheep in U.S., shot a ram at 1200yds. Called his friend on sat phone, calculated drop and windage and used computer to sort out shot with his stored data on his rifle/ load. Rich guy, expensive gear. Shot was across a large canyon. I was deeply troubled by this. A ram deserves better than that in my opinion. I don't know how you can read cross winds at that distance, in the desert no less. Photo showd nothing but rocks and cacti, no grass blades or leaves to give any clue to cross winds. In my opinion such shots are for war not for hunting game animals, being hunted in this instance solely for trophy. ( I am not opposed to trophy hunting at all.) Being able to take a long, long shot because you screwed up and got a bad hit or the animal is just too tough , like an elk can be, is a useful skill. But elective 1000yd+ shots on mountain game is not hunting in this old guy's opinion.And most certainly not something to brag about. Hunting is a religious thing to me, and such shenanigans are blasphemy.... My 2 cents.
Read a hunt report of a rich guy hunting desert sheep in U.S., shot a ram at 1200yds. Called his friend on sat phone, calculated drop and windage and used computer to sort out shot with his stored data on his rifle/ load. Rich guy, expensive gear. Shot was across a large canyon. I was deeply troubled by this. A ram deserves better than that in my opinion. I don't know how you can read cross winds at that distance, in the desert no less. Photo showd nothing but rocks and cacti, no grass blades or leaves to give any clue to cross winds. In my opinion such shots are for war not for hunting game animals, being hunted in this instance solely for trophy. ( I am not opposed to trophy hunting at all.) Being able to take a long, long shot because you screwed up and got a bad hit or the animal is just too tough , like an elk can be, is a useful skill. But elective 1000yd+ shots on mountain game is not hunting in this old guy's opinion.And most certainly not something to brag about. Hunting is a religious thing to me, and such shenanigans are blasphemy.... My 2 cents.
I don't get it either, totally against long range hunting to the point he calls it "shooting" instead like B&C yet has taken animals while hunting at long range himself........Did you really take a half kilometre shot on a buck and then turn around yesterday to say this?This is the ugly side of this, people cheering it in public, then the reality of what they do is completely different. I would applaud your shot track, as an excellent one and clearly within your ability, so how could this stance be taken now? I'm honestly interested in the justification, 565 yards is long range to anyone's measure.
The Club finds that long-range shooting takes unfair advantage of the game animal, effectively eliminates the natural capacity of an animal to use its senses and instincts to detect danger, and demeans the hunter/prey relationship in a way that diminishes the importance and relevance of the animal and the hunt.
Long range is relative but I don't think that the longest bow shot compares at all to even a "medium" range rifle shot. Regardless, when you've started taking extreme shots for your weapon of choice one would wonder why you feel the need to. I'm assuming nobody here HAS to take an animal to feed their family.
Perhaps bow hunters are short enough range that they generally don't have to worry about wind drift but they still need an accurate indication of range and hold. I suspect wind can be an issue even at bow range.
Rifle hunters who want to take the long shots, even with the benefit of range finders, BDC's and mechanical/electronic wind indicators are still making the assumption that everything they calculate is accurate and a constant. It ain't always so. Paper targets don't suffer if you've miscalculated or the breeze changes, the animal that we profess to want to take cleanly and humanely does.
Granted, a lot of us have spooked critters at long range through poor practices or bad luck or had animals come almost into our lap because of skill and some degree of luck. However I believe that an animal at long range has a lot less chance of being spooked due to his sensing something amiss. Animals baited or pursued by hounds still have the opportunity to use all their senses to the max, I believe it's a personal choice on how you choose to get up close and personal.
Where to draw the line at what is an unacceptably long range? Personal decision and one that I predict will never keep any entry out of any record book.
Long range is relative but I don't think that the longest bow shot compares at all to even a "medium" range rifle shot. Regardless, when you've started taking extreme shots for your weapon of choice one would wonder why you feel the need to. I'm assuming nobody here HAS to take an animal to feed their family.
Perhaps bow hunters are short enough range that they generally don't have to worry about wind drift but they still need an accurate indication of range and hold. I suspect wind can be an issue even at bow range.
Rifle hunters who want to take the long shots, even with the benefit of range finders, BDC's and mechanical/electronic wind indicators are still making the assumption that everything they calculate is accurate and a constant. It ain't always so. Paper targets don't suffer if you've miscalculated or the breeze changes, the animal that we profess to want to take cleanly and humanely does.
Granted, a lot of us have spooked critters at long range through poor practices or bad luck or had animals come almost into our lap because of skill and some degree of luck. However I believe that an animal at long range has a lot less chance of being spooked due to his sensing something amiss. Animals baited or pursued by hounds still have the opportunity to use all their senses to the max, I believe it's a personal choice on how you choose to get up close and personal.
Where to draw the line at what is an unacceptably long range? Personal decision and one that I predict will never keep any entry out of any record book.
Ardent
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Pretty sure this thread has outlived it's usefulness, we're all ready to get bitter. 'Boo, well done on spotting it and bringing it to our attention. From here it will just truly go down hill.
I'm with limiting the range myself, keep hunting hunting.
Or more sensibly, let's put a lazy boy and a lead sled in the box of the truck and go get some trophies ( sarcasm font here). If you can't get it done at 300-400 shoot me a PM. The fellow down the road has a deer farm, I might as well hook you up with a trophy rack from him, seem even easier for you then.
Or... I'm getting old & sour, lol.
Time for days off maybe
Or more sensibly, let's put a lazy boy and a lead sled in the box of the truck and go get some trophies ( sarcasm font here). If you can't get it done at 300-400 shoot me a PM. The fellow down the road has a deer farm, I might as well hook you up with a trophy rack from him, seem even easier for you then.
Or... I'm getting old & sour, lol.
Time for days off maybe
It was 489 paces, my longest shot ever; however that's not the point. I'll assume that you and et al might of misread or misunderstood what B&C is stating, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. They are not targeting the average "Joe Hunter" like you and I, but individuals who for the sole purpose and "intent" of killing/shooting big game animals at extreme long range. (ie: Best of the West, el al and average Joe Hunters who wish to memic such practices).
I definitely don't pride myself in long range shooting, however most content that I'm an old school hunter who uses old traditional hunting skills; sans todays tech gadgets, etc. I really don't care about the shot I made, moreover, the relationship with the deer that I had for two hunting seasons. (Read the next fall issue of Big Buck Magizine for a little story, it may be featured) I don't condem a long range shot, but not to make a career of out of it.Did you really take a half kilometre shot on a buck and then turn around yesterday to say this?
As I mentioned in a prior post, SCI is the answer to such individuals; they lack ethics, morals, values and good standards for hunting.
I'm not sure how you get from "A to B"... you have consistently read into the posts of others and misinterpreted them and then attributed erroneous information...
At no time did I suggest that I am for barring legally taken game from the record books...
I am not in favour (in general) with a practice which increases wounding loss... intentionally shooting at extreme ranges does so...
I also do not agree "in whole" with the B&C statement... rather I agree with the sentiment... here it is in a nutshell,as I interpret it; "keep hunting more about the hunting, than the shooting."
For me the actually shot is a "let down"... because it largely signals the end of the hunting/pursuing aspects that I most enjoy...
All of the above is JMO and relates, in practice, only to me.
I agree with Ardent... this thread has become pointless and this is my last trip back here...
There are some shows on TV, where the most important aspect of the 'hunt', is achieving the longest possible shot. Those guys would disdain (pass up) a 50 yard or 100 yard shot, because it doesn't test their skill and equipment adequately. So they work to try to get a 500, 600, etc... type shot. Which makes no sense to me.
I think the position B&C is taking is correct.
I think the position B&C is taking is correct.
Who gives a schit what B&C thinks?
Many of their listings include poached animals or animals killed using questionable (but legal) practices. I'd be more supportive of the B&C club if they didn't list the hunter. Take the ego aspect out of it and focus on the animal, the way it was supposed to be.
So whether they endorse one type of hunting or not really makes no difference to me.
Many of their listings include poached animals or animals killed using questionable (but legal) practices. I'd be more supportive of the B&C club if they didn't list the hunter. Take the ego aspect out of it and focus on the animal, the way it was supposed to be.
So whether they endorse one type of hunting or not really makes no difference to me.
that risk is something a hunter takes with a shot at any range and one that is lowered by practice. Everyones level of skill is different so this is where I am going to assume why you are fine with Tracks shot correct?
Long distance shooting at game animals isn't anything new. Growing up in an Alberta farming community during the 70's there were stories of big deer being shot at from fenceline to fenceline (half mile) every year.
With todays optics and electronics it just makes the success percentage of such shots much much better. These type of long range shots have always been taken and always will be, whether its right or wrong or if the B&C clubs agrees with it or not makes no difference.
With todays optics and electronics it just makes the success percentage of such shots much much better. These type of long range shots have always been taken and always will be, whether its right or wrong or if the B&C clubs agrees with it or not makes no difference.
^ The biggest problem with it, is the commercial aspect; I'm using this rifle, this rangefinder, these binoculars/scope etc... bunch of bull####...
So if you are are Joe Blow, without the $$$ endorsements, that's one thing.
But anybody tied to endorsement $$$ has no credibility, in my opinion.
I'm not talking about individual skill. I'm talking people, that endorse #### for money. There is a certain hunter, which the guy may be the greatest living hunter in the world (guess who). But since every product the guy has ever had is the only thing saving his ass... really!?
I'll take a real hunter, like Why Not (Ted) any day. He's real. No BS. No endorsements. 100% cred...
So if you are are Joe Blow, without the $$$ endorsements, that's one thing.
But anybody tied to endorsement $$$ has no credibility, in my opinion.
I'm not talking about individual skill. I'm talking people, that endorse #### for money. There is a certain hunter, which the guy may be the greatest living hunter in the world (guess who). But since every product the guy has ever had is the only thing saving his ass... really!?
I'll take a real hunter, like Why Not (Ted) any day. He's real. No BS. No endorsements. 100% cred...
