B&C Statement on the "King buck"

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This should settle the dispute for good. The King buck isn't and never was the world record. The Hanson Buck remain the King of all Whitetails!


B&C Statement on the "King buck"
Posted June 6, 2012

Big-game hunters everywhere and especially those in Wisconsin are understandably interested in the King Buck—a magnificent trophy from America’s No. 1 whitetail trophy state.

Though an outstanding specimen indicative of sound conservation and management programs, the King Buck is not a World’s Record according to the Boone and Crockett Club’s scoring system. In a recent letter to the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, Club officials explained why and offered some important background.

Here’s a summary:
The highest and best use of Boone and Crockett Club’s records is providing conservation professionals with a gauge for measuring success. Science-based and time-proven, trophy records can indicate habitat quality, herd dynamics, and much more.

The King Buck was reviewed and scored using the same procedures used to score whitetails since 1950. It’s this consistency over time that makes Boone and Crockett Club’s records a valuable tool for game managers.

A panel of four official measurers personally examined the King Buck in Pennsylvania. On page 41 of the Boone and Crockett Club’s scoring manual, a rule states, “There are instances where a single point comes off the top inside edge of the main beam and is considered an abnormal point.” The panel unanimously determined that a point on the King Buck’s right side fit this description. Resulting deductions lowered the antlers’ final score well below the threshold of a World’s Record.

The trophy was accepted into Boone and Crockett Club’s records as a 180-class typical trophy. The hunter, Mr. Johnny King, later withdrew the buck from the records. King then reportedly sold the rack, presumably as an investment, to Mr. Jay Fish who began a campaign to dispute the score.

Fish shopped for a Boone and Crockett Club volunteer official measurer willing to perform an unauthorized re-scoring of the rack. In doing so, Mr. Ron Boucher crossed a longstanding Club policy and Code of Conduct. Moreover, he re-scored the rack incorrectly.
Official measurers on the Boone and Crockett Club’s staff in Montana and the chairman of the Club’s Records Committee reviewed photos of the antlers and the score sheet, and unanimously determined that Boucher was mistaken. The original entry score was accurate.

At Fish’s urging, another review took place by a panel of official measurers in Idaho. The panel unanimously agreed that the tine in question was, by rule, an abnormal point.

Club officials informed Boucher that the King Buck’s original score had been confirmed. Boucher, Fish, and others who continued to argue the ruling were invited to send new photos that might offer new evidence, but no photos were received.

Eventually, Boone and Crockett Club was forced to dismiss two individuals for violating the Club’s policies and Code of Conduct. It was not the first time that strong action has been taken to protect the integrity of the Boone and Crockett Club’s records program—and the trophy data used by so many professionals in science-based management of whitetails.
 
The 'King Buck'... never heard of it... :canadaFlag:

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Not to "dis" the B&C Club or P&Y Club scoring systems... but I am personally opposed to deductions for ANY bone on a trophies head... I personally want to know about all points, size, length and mass... I don't really care if it is irregular (or abnormal)... it should all count. JMO.
 
Not to "dis" the B&C Club or P&Y Club scoring systems... but I am personally opposed to deductions for ANY bone on a trophies head... I personally want to know about all points, size, length and mass... I don't really care if it is irregular (or abnormal)... it should all count. JMO.

x2....The buck Grows it,thats the real score.The Missouri buck at 333 7\8" is the Real "King Buck".

Not to Dis the Hanson buck,because i'll never shoot a whitetail buck that big,however there are whitetail bucks shot every year in north america that are typical and nontypical that make the hanson buck look like a Dink!

Scores just a number,whether it's gross or Net.
 
Not to "dis" the B&C Club or P&Y Club scoring systems... but I am personally opposed to deductions for ANY bone on a trophies head... I personally want to know about all points, size, length and mass... I don't really care if it is irregular (or abnormal)... it should all count. JMO.

But as they are quoted in the original post, the B&C Club is correct to argue that a system must be consistent to be of value. Since they have been doing it that way for decades, it would be quite wrong for anyone affiliated with B&C to deviate from their system and assert that this animal was a world record B&C trophy.

If you could get it started and enough people went along with it for any length of time, the hoytcanon scoring would be quite as valid in its own way.
 
But as they are quoted in the original post, the B&C Club is correct to argue that a system must be consistent to be of value. Since they have been doing it that way for decades, it would be quite wrong for anyone affiliated with B&C to deviate from their system and assert that this animal was a world record B&C trophy.

If you could get it started and enough people went along with it for any length of time, the hoytcanon scoring would be quite as valid in its own way.

I agree. It is still an awesome whitetail, and one most of us would be more than happy to harvest and hang on our wall.
 
Here's an even better idea... Why score?... Animals harvested deserve better than to be categorized into som record score... I have been chasing a trophy on my property for years... I don't care how he would score... He is important and special to me... Just look at the way milo got his buck... Pure luck and a whack of missed shots...
 
Look at all the bucks that are never entered in any scoring system as the owners could never be bothered. Wonder how many World/State/Provincial Records are hanging on a barn wall...
 
Here's an even better idea... Why score?... Animals harvested deserve better than to be categorized into som record score...

Too much emphasis is put on rack scores IMO. Trail cameras, food plots, mineral licks etc. etc. Hunters today are way too concerned about antler quality and less about the quality of the hunt! When you start taking some of the surprise and effort out of the hunt, doesn't it just become another video game? Let the flaming begin!
 
Here's an even better idea... Why score?... Animals harvested deserve better than to be categorized into som record score... I have been chasing a trophy on my property for years... I don't care how he would score... He is important and special to me... Just look at the way milo got his buck... Pure luck and a whack of missed shots...

Agreed! I harvest the odd good whitetail buck and I never throw a tape on the antlers................it takes the mystery out of what it might score anyway. Killing a good whitetail is a bonus, however; the most important thing is the hunt itself.
 
x2....The buck Grows it,thats the real score.The Missouri buck at 333 7\8" is the Real "King Buck".

Not to Dis the Hanson buck,because i'll never shoot a whitetail buck that big,however there are whitetail bucks shot every year in north america that are typical and nontypical that make the hanson buck look like a Dink!

Scores just a number,whether it's gross or Net.

I believe the "Hole-in-the-Horn" buck grosses higher than the Missouri buck.

I suppose that those of you who think bucks featuring abnormal (non-typical) points should be held up as the finest example of their species, would also contend that John Merrick (the Elephant Man) was the finest example of a human being.
 
I suppose that those of you who think bucks featuring abnormal (non-typical) points should be held up as the finest example of their species, would also contend that John Merrick (the Elephant Man) was the finest example of a human being.

:D

I agree. The bucks that score highest by sheer number of inches are also the ugliest. I find nothing wrong with the B&C system, though in the end beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I still find the Jordan buck one of the most impressive whitetail out there, regardless of score. Big 4x4's can also look awesome.
 
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I agree. The bucks that score highest by sheer number of inches are also the ugliest. I find nothing wrong with the B&C system, though in the end beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I still find the Jordan buck one of the most impressive whitetail out there, regardless of score. Big 4x4's can also look awesome.

Nope... no way a 4x4 can be impressive...... ;) ......

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Here's an even better idea... Why score?... Animals harvested deserve better than to be categorized into som record score... I have been chasing a trophy on my property for years... I don't care how he would score... He is important and special to me... Just look at the way milo got his buck... Pure luck and a whack of missed shots...


I agree, waaay to much emphasis on shooting trophy book animals. Ive taken some decent animals hunting and my most memorable and satisfying hunt was a doe I shot with my bow for the first time. I never been so pumped but to most hunters they would scoff at the idea of being happy about killing a doe.
Guys I hunt with are all big trophy hunters and I really enjoy there company but certainly do not share there views on what makes a good hunt.
 
King buck

The whole point of the "debate" or whatever you may wish to call it is simply, in my view, all about dollars. There have a couple of instances in the past few (?) years where people have submitted heads for scoring and were informed for obscure, vague or other reasons (pen raised) that the head was ineligible.

Outdoor product companies have big money invested in these trophies and will not let them be easily usurped by the next "big" one.

I believe the whole idea of a trophy is what is a good representation of what is reallistically available in your hunting area and not that the buck you shot is just a 110,

Feel free to beat me up.

Moosey
 
Not to "dis" the B&C Club or P&Y Club scoring systems... but I am personally opposed to deductions for ANY bone on a trophies head... I personally want to know about all points, size, length and mass... I don't really care if it is irregular (or abnormal)... it should all count. JMO.

Agree 100% If the animal grew that bone......it counts for something.
 
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