North Eastern Arms
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Then buy our free float quad rail that is coming our this summer.
B.C. Tactical handguard for Vz 58
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Then buy our free float quad rail that is coming our this summer.
Already got the BC Tactical, and it's doing fine.
North Eastern Arms
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It is isnt it???? kinda like our swiss rail thread.
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Other than personal preferance.....Because when using any stock other than the original, cheek weld is awful, at least for me, more like an eye socket weld. You are limited to 2 different RDS to acheive co-witness, so you can spend either $179 for the trs25(i woundn't trust my life with a trs25) or for $649 you can get the aimpoint micro. If my RDS fails i take it off and use irons, no bigger deal....but mostly personal prefence
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what would they disagree with?? that the trs25 and aimpoint are the only 2 sights that will cowitness on the CZ, or that co-witness is overrated??? What sights are these police using???
Other than personal preferance.....Because when using any stock other than the original, cheek weld is awful, at least for me, more like an eye socket weld. You are limited to 2 different RDS to acheive co-witness, so you can spend either $179 for the trs25(i woundn't trust my life with a trs25) or for $649 you can get the aimpoint micro. If my RDS fails i take it off and use irons, no bigger deal....but mostly personal prefence
definitely not a big deal if all you ask of your rifles is to be toys...
for a guy with "all my rifles are battle rifles" as his sig line it doesn't make any sense at all.
If your rds fails, you are forced to #### with it because until you get your optic out of the way, you have no sighting ability.
If my rds fails, I look at my irons and keep shooting.
While I do not expect to ever use them in a defensive capacity, I really DO expect my guns to be 100% ready to go in the event that I need them. If you expect combat readiness out of your guns, or you simply want them to perform competitively even under adverse conditions, then co-witness is the best way to go by far. The only other acceptable options are to have an optic with a mount that allows you to see the irons, or to have an offset sighting system of one sort or another, but in the former case, very few quality optic mounts allow this on the CZ, and in the latter, you are either dealing with a lot of vertical offset, which crews your cheek weld either with the optic, like on commie side rail optics, or on the irons, because you've got a cheek rest in place, or you are dealing with a canted offset, which works but sucks for weak side shooting and requires a lot of transition work at close range (i.e. under extreme pressure).
Co-witness is not overrated at all...there are a lot of very good reasons that it is used by virtually every agency that has the option.
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- victoria bc
all my rifles are battle rifles, that work, and are comfortable to shoot, i tried the NEA trs25 setup and it was awful, the parts where great, well made and worked as advertised, but not comfortable to the point where it affected accuracy and speed, so in the case of the CZ, (we are talking about CZs not ARs) the NEA/Cowitness setup didn't work, therefore since i have gone a different route which works for me, i'd rather have a gun that is comfortable than run a system which isn't, just to have co-witness(overrated), with the AR/m4 platforn co-witness was naturally a good idea, with the CZ...not so much
Interesting...you sure don't meet a lot of people that wouldn't be able to use the irons on a 58-pattern rifle.
Being an issue rifle, the irons should be in the right place for the average soldier. You must have a very unusual face or build.
You must have trouble with all kinds of guns...the sight plane for the irons on a VZ is about the same distance off the comb as an M14, an AK, a Sig 550, an AR...
Being an issue rifle, the irons should be in the right place for the average soldier. You must have a very unusual face or build.
You must have trouble with all kinds of guns...the sight plane for the irons on a VZ is about the same distance off the comb as an M14, an AK, a Sig 550, an AR...
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- victoria bc
you forgot to read Because when using any stock other than the original in my previous post, ie; any inline set up....and yes, cheek weld is more important than tacticool.....
I just set my inline stock to a setting similar to the factory height...easy fix.
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I am finding my straight in line AR Adapter to be a little counterintuitive, as the cheek weld is high. An adjustable adapter might get me lower and able to get a quicker sight picture. I'll run it as is for a bit and see if it's just me, but there are options. I like the cowitness with the TRS25.
The Vortex SPARC also cowitnesses on the NEA rail. It has the same footprint as the Aimpoint, with a much lower price point (+lifetime warrenty). We have trouble keeping them in stock, and the majority of those go to VZ owners. They'd work just fine on any handguard, but only cowitness on the NEA one.
As to the merits of cowitness, its a no-brainer. Bottom line is that if you're using a non-magnified optic, you either need to cowitness it or put it on a QD base so when it goes down you can toss it quick.
If all you do is plink or shoot the bad guys on TV off your couch, then it's not likely needed. However if you care at all about accuracy, performance and reliability with a non-magnified optic, you only have two logical options; cowitness or QD mount.
There's a reason why every 1st world military & police organization demands it. However for some reason, there is more than one argument why it's not important from recreational shooters.
I guess it boils down to whether it's a tool or a toy for you. Toys are fun.. Go shoot and enjoy it. Tools are serious business and those that use tools want them to work all the time.
Back to the topic at hand; the BC Tac handguard looks solid and will likely do the trick. Everyone has different likes and needs; nothing wrong with that.
Just ask yourself what you want your accessory to do and choose the one that has the features you desire.
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Because we aren't the lowest bidder.
http://oneshottactical.com/
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As to the merits of cowitness, its a no-brainer. Bottom line is that if you're using a non-magnified optic, you either need to cowitness it or put it on a QD base so when it goes down you can toss it quick.
If all you do is plink or shoot the bad guys on TV off your couch, then it's not likely needed. However if you care at all about accuracy, performance and reliability with a non-magnified optic, you only have two logical options; cowitness or QD mount.
There's a reason why every 1st world military & police organization demands it. However for some reason, there is more than one argument why it's not important from recreational shooters.
I guess it boils down to whether it's a tool or a toy for you. Toys are fun.. Go shoot and enjoy it. Tools are serious business and those that use tools want them to work all the time.
Back to the topic at hand; the BC Tac handguard looks solid and will likely do the trick. Everyone has different likes and needs; nothing wrong with that.
Just ask yourself what you want your accessory to do and choose the one that has the features you desire.
One Shot Tactical Inc.
Because we aren't the lowest bidder.
http://oneshottactical.com/
http://oneshottactical.com/forum
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North Eastern Arms
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Aimpoint micro's
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- victoria bc
I just might do that. Any pictures real or mockup?
