B.C. to investigate declining moose numbers

[waterwheel]

Everyone is so quick to blame A indian when the fact that we all have contribute to the problem both native and no-native

The reason everyone is quick to blame Indians is because of the underlying complaint of unfair harvesting practices. I think the problem of unfair or unequal harvesting laws for different people is something to be concerned about. But whether or not it's causing population crash is something else entirely.

The article seems to talk about a fairly rapid population crash. I doubt that a population crash is caused by indians, atv's or wolves - those pressures seem constant, not something that would cause a rapid change. More likely, as noted in the article, it's environmental changes causing the decline. Still, not even that's guaranteed. That's why they need the study. Then we can hopefully stop speculating and replace it with facts.

 

[regulate34]

Around me I have head of CO's counting 30+ pregnant cow moose kills on native land.
My butcher this year told me neurmous stories of natives brining in poorly cared for moose and they would not accept it in fear of contaminating other game in the meat locker. Only to find the moose anbandoned in the ditch a few km down the road.
When you see them driving drunk in a minivan with 30-30s hanging out the window it's hard not I point a finger.

Had 3 wolves run down and kill a cow am two calves on the lake across from me.
Killed one wolf.

I believe it's a combination of many things.
Not just wolves or natives.

Put a bounty on wolves and total closure (including native) for 3-5 yrs
Then see where the #s stand

 

[MiG25]

When you see them driving drunk in a minivan with 30-30s hanging out the window it's hard not I point a finger.

I've seen that a few times and in none of the cases was it indians.

I wonder if the Bios have knowledge of how many animals the indians actually take? I'd bet it is lower than supposed by many. In my parts I'd bet 1 or 2 cougars take more game than the indians.

I'd be surprised if whitetail deer aren't a large factor, it has been observed for a long time that as whitetails increase, moose decrease. Geist goes into some detail on this.

 

[olympia]

Around me I have head of CO's counting 30+ pregnant cow moose kills on native land.
My butcher this year told me neurmous stories of natives brining in poorly cared for moose and they would not accept it in fear of contaminating other game in the meat locker. Only to find the moose anbandoned in the ditch a few km down the road.
When you see them driving drunk in a minivan with 30-30s hanging out the window it's hard not I point a finger.

Had 3 wolves run down and kill a cow am two calves on the lake across from me. i
Killed one wolf.

I believe it's a combination of many things.
Not just wolves or natives.

Put a bounty on wolves and total closure (including native) for 3-5 yrs
Then see where the #s stand

think ur butcher is full of #### because most natves I know of butcher their own game, but I do agree with you with stopping moose hunting for a couple seasons to let the numbers hopefully climb

 

[regulate34]

think ur butcher is full of #### because most natves I know of butcher their own game, but I do agree with you with stopping moose hunting for a couple seasons to let the numbers hopefully climb

Heard things like that from others as well. Loggers seeing then pop a animal in a hard to retrieve area and the animal still their days later.

All I am saying is i see my regulations get tighter every year.
Yet no restrictions enforced on others.

Not playing any race cards just the facts.

 

[carverk]

think ur butcher is full of #### because most natves I know of butcher their own game, but I do agree with you with stopping moose hunting for a couple seasons to let the numbers hopefully climb

You are 100% correct it is nice to see there is some common sense on this site instead of repeating the hatred and bigotry that has founded this country
Hopefully one day the finger-pointing will stop

 

[tinviper]

Ive had a few natives brag about making a 1000 a week skinning moose hides and tanning them. That cant help, plus everyone has heard of someone with a native "buddy" that will take them hunting. Your all right its a lot of factors but no one will enforce any laws in Canada anymore if its against natives.

 

[carverk]

Ive had a few natives brag about making a 1000 a week skinning moose hides and tanning them. That cant help, plus everyone has heard of someone with a native "buddy" that will take them hunting. Your all right its a lot of factors but no one will enforce any laws in Canada anymore if its against natives.

It would be nice to keep these statements based on facts not fiction
If what you're saying is true then I'm in the wrong business I guess
Many people will tan hides to make leather and drums as a byproduct after their kill but it is a byproduct after the freezer is full
Myself I need to set up my shop so I can start turning deer hides into drums to sell it is a lot better than just throwing them out making a little bit extra to help pay for gas doesn't hurt anyone utilizing the whole animal should be encourage
I do not know of one single native Hunter Who over harvest any wildlife at all even though they do you have The legal right which is protected in the Canadian Constitution
All the hunters I know restrain themselves from over hunting limiting the time of year and species
In fact most will set a lot tougher restrictions on themselves
You cannot tell me that you know Of hordes of native hunters going out just randomly killing whatever they see
Please Keep things based on fact not propaganda

 

[Mikeyman]

The area northwest of Vanderhoof moose have been decimated by the trains. Locals say they see a large decline in the population and blame the trains killing moose.

 

[carverk]

The area northwest of Vanderhoof moose have been decimated by the trains. Locals say they see a large decline in the population and blame the trains killing moose.

Train traffic has Dramatically increased in the last 15 years or so and plans are for even more train traffic With The expansion of the container ports in BC
The container port in Prince Rupert is starting phase 2 this year which will double its present size
collisions with moose is bound to increase

 

[scott_karana]

Somewhat related, I'd love to see a wolf bounty in BC. A coyote one probably makes sense too.

 

[kylegood]

i agree a 3 year all peoples hunting ban on moose, and after three years evaluate the numbers and effectiveness. and go forth the from there.

i would definitely agree that wolves play a big part, but so do humans, trains, pipelines and green house gasses. the bottom line is that if we can't all see eye to eye (all parties) and come up with a solution quick we may never harvest another moose, let alone see one. so maybe we should focus on a a long term proactive solution rather than throw stones back and forth about who dun nit. we are all responsible and we all need to be accountable.

 

[VLT79]

The problem is most likely due to a less than ideal Bull/Cow ratio. The way B.C. has things set up with 4 points here or 10 points total to ensure that mostly "mature" bulls are taken, is ridiculous! The number points on antlered animals has more to do with diet and less to do with the age of the animal. What B.C. has to do, is the same thing Quebec did years ago and either put cow tags up on draw or rotate the season every couple years and allow both ###es as well as calves to be harvested, all depending on the specific WMU/zone/district. Since that was done the population has thrived. I just bought a quarter section of land in Fort St. John and in the half dozen times I've been up there to date, I've seen no less than 65 moose and only 4 were bulls. That's not a good ratio by any stretch of the imagination! The few bulls there are, are too busy running around all over when they should be phucking instead, in turn the numbers drop!

 

[NavyCuda]

After watching the fiasco with native over fishing on the Fraser river it isn't hard to imagine them as a contributing factor. Certainly not the only factor however.

 

[drache]

I do not know of one single native Hunter Who over harvest any wildlife at all even though they do you have The legal right which is protected in the Canadian Constitution
All the hunters I know restrain themselves from over hunting limiting the time of year and species
In fact most will set a lot tougher restrictions on themselves
You cannot tell me that you know Of hordes of native hunters going out just randomly killing whatever they see
Please Keep things based on fact not propaganda

I know four personally. Two stated they would take me moose hunting any time I wanted and they would claim it as their own.... (no I have never taken the offer)....

 

[carverk]

After watching the fiasco with native over fishing on the Fraser river it isn't hard to imagine them as a contributing factor. Certainly not the only factor however.

Jim Patterson promised he was going to run the commercial fishery into the ground how do you propose he plans on doing that?
Fish farms A large Percentage Jim Patterson owns it surprises me how why people are blind to corruption in the federal and provincial governments
The federal government has been mismanaging BC fishery for generations
The biggest contributor is global warming no snowpack on the mountain no fish it's been that way forever
Funny how people on this site are so quick two point fingers at native people

 

[carverk]

I know four personally. Two stated they would take me moose hunting any time I wanted and they would claim it as their own.... (no I have never taken the offer)....

I suppose you figure that those four native guys have hunting out all the moose in bc

 

[trevj]

Jim Patterson promised he was going to run the commercial fishery into the ground how do you propose he plans on doing that?
Fish farms A large Percentage Jim Patterson owns it surprises me how why people are blind to corruption in the federal and provincial governments
The federal government has been mismanaging BC fishery for generations
The biggest contributor is global warming no snowpack on the mountain no fish it's been that way forever
Funny how people on this site are so quick two point fingers at native people

Sorry man, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the folks stringing nets across the mouths of the rivers, or in the case I witnessed, of Winnipeg "natives" with spotlights and a reefer truck "subsistence" hunting moose outside Hudson Bay Sask.

I doubt very much that Natives are responsible for the condition of the game stocks, if what I see around is anything worth considering. I have seen more deer on the reserve land than off it, both here in BC and in Alberta around Cold Lake.

That tells me more than any crappy stereotype I might hear.

Cheers
Trev

 

[NavyCuda]

Jim Patterson promised he was going to run the commercial fishery into the ground how do you propose he plans on doing that?
Fish farms A large Percentage Jim Patterson owns it surprises me how why people are blind to corruption in the federal and provincial governments
The federal government has been mismanaging BC fishery for generations
The biggest contributor is global warming no snowpack on the mountain no fish it's been that way forever
Funny how people on this site are so quick two point fingers at native people

So you mean those natives that were selling fish out of the back of their pickups, from 2 tonne totes to anyone with cash while no one else was allowed to fish, was for their sustenance? I watched it happen everyday, multiple pickup loads would drive by me on my walk to and from school.

You are correct, the problem is with the government having not enough balls to treat everyone equally.

 

[carverk]

So you mean those natives that were selling fish out of the back of their pickups, from 2 tonne totes to anyone with cash while no one else was allowed to fish, was for their sustenance? I watched it happen everyday, multiple pickup loads would drive by me on my walk to and from school.

You are correct, the problem is with the government having not enough balls to treat everyone equally.

My sister lives in Vancouver she has white people crawling in and out of the dumpsters all day and all night based on this logic all white people must be dumpster divers