Baikal Makarov - need information

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Hi everyone,

Can anyone please educate me some information on Baikal Makarovs in Canada?
I recently got very lucky and scored a 9mm Mak and a a .380 version from EE here.

From what I gathered, they were sold for about $400-$600 each when they were available from stores. Is this true? I paid more than that of course , but I am just so happy to be able to get them.

How common were they when they were available and what year. I saw a reply by Interammo in another thread, they had only about 100 chambered in .380 acp.
Was 9mm Mak more commonly available or the .380?

Are they now completely discontinued?Were they made by surplus parts or newly machine.
My Google-Fu is weak as I cant find any information/ factory website.

Any information is greatly appreciated, thanks!!
 
I had one. Baikal in 9mm Mak
Interammo was the importer and they were dirt cheap.
I paid 400 for mine on the EE years back.
I shot the #### out of it when Mak ammo was abundant and cheap. Then it got harder to find and got expensive as hell when it showed up.
I sold it after going almost a year without ammo for it at one point.
I will say this though, I've bought and sold a lot of pistols since then and that is to this day the only one i regret selling and wished I still had :(
Amazing sturdy, compact, very accurate and very reliable pistols. And they were so cheap.
The American proxy oil war they started in Syria through Saudi Arabia with Russia brought embargoes on Russian products. Interammo took it hard on the chin after that and all the cool Russian guns (baikal maks and viking pistols etc) are still being produced by the metric ton, we just cant get them imported because we semi joined USAs latest "freedom" fight for oil domination....
 
As TB said, the embargo on certain Russian products has halted imports of the Baikal Maks. I have one in 9mm Mak. GREAT little pistol. Very accurate considering it's size.
 
Thanks for the replies!

After reading almost every thread by searching "Baikal Makarov" in the forum , including the 54 page thread from the InterAmmo, I got more answers.
Mainly, confirming the price it was indeed $399 and only 100 .380 imported.

It seems odd that they dont have any website dedicated to the Baikals that we got!

Travis Bikcle I think I am actually the proud new owner of your old Mak! She is in very good hand now :D
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Teapot2 was the importer of the Baikal Makarovs IIRC. I owned a 9x18 for a while. It was extremely accurate and reliable but like a lot of guns my ADD got the best of me and I sold it off.
 
Trade Ex has ammo listed I am pretty sure, when I was surfing a day or so ago.
A gun I have never had, but if one turned up at the right price, ya.
I would think reloadable? don't know.
 
Thanks for the replies!

After reading almost every thread by searching "Baikal Makarov" in the forum , including the 54 page thread from the InterAmmo, I got more answers.
Mainly, confirming the price it was indeed $399 and only 100 .380 imported.

It seems odd that they dont have any website dedicated to the Baikals that we got!

Travis Bikcle I think I am actually the proud new owner of your old Mak! She is in very good hand now :D
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Lol maybe!
I sold her years ago. If you want to see how accurate you can really shoot that thing buy the fat hogue rubber wraparound grip for it. You can thank me later ;)
I even had the spetznas push through to #### load and off the safety holster.....F**K why did I ever sell that gun!? :S lol
 
9mm Mak is very easy to reload apparently. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but i believe you can actually trim 9mm luger casings down to work.

Yupe totally doable, the only pain is seating the projectile, its so small that you really have to make sure it is going in straight. You can only flare the case so much. I used either 9mm mak or trimmed down regular 9mm resized for Mak. Still have close to 750rnds of factory Mak ammo.
 
thanks for the reply, guys.
I will definitely be keeping mine now. I have always been fascinated by them ( the AKs of pistols , imo.)
Seems like not many places carry the 9x18 ammo too, so I will be shooting the .380s more.

9mm Luger will still be my go to plinking caliber tho, cheap and plenty to be found lol.


Do any of you know if Baikal is still pumping out the Maks to this day?
Were the Baikals that we got newly produced, or they were just assembled from surplus parts.
 
Yupe totally doable, the only pain is seating the projectile, its so small that you really have to make sure it is going in straight. You can only flare the case so much. I used either 9mm mak or trimmed down regular 9mm resized for Mak. Still have close to 750rnds of factory Mak ammo.

Darn, thats a lot of ammo left! Wonder how much the shipping will cost
 
I bought mine yesrs ago in 9mm Mak and you can reload it. I have a buddy reload it for me and instead of paying almost 50 cents a round, you pay around 15 cents. It is accurate reliable and alot of fun to shoot. Rusty woods trading sold the brass for 9mm mak pretty cheap if i remember. It is my Favorite pistol and thw only pistol I will never sell
 
As TB said, the embargo on certain Russian products has halted imports of the Baikal Maks. I have one in 9mm Mak. GREAT little pistol. Very accurate considering it's size.

That's incorrect information. And TB's info on sanctions reasoning is also incorrect. Just couple of bullet points for those who's too lazy to check original documents:
- sanctions do not prohibit import of firearms from Russia, but rather prohibit dealing with certain companies and people. Baikal is a part of Izhevsk factory which is under sanctions (see Schedule 1) and one can't deal with them. Surplus goods that are now properties of other companies and countries is not under prohibition, one can buy surplus Izhevsk production from Russia or Ukraine, provided you're not dealing directly or indirectly to entities under sanctions. Of course I expect no modern production of Izhevsk or subsidiaries like Baikal could get an import permit.
- there's a list of sanctions-related prohibited items, true (Schedule 4), but it doesn't include firearms.
- reason for sanction is not some "proxy oil war" and not our US ally but Canada's condemnation of military aggression against Ukraine that is still ongoing since 2014.
- one can import firearms and ammo from Russia, provided one does not deal with people and companies under sanctions. That's how we were getting Molot snipers (this company btw scammed one Canadian importer) and SKSs and that's how we get Barnaul ammo, modern production.
- another thing to consider is that according to Russian laws no military firearms can be sold abroad, and all these Molots and similar companies are just shells with owners who were able to grease someone's palm and were allowed to slap "hunting / sporting firearm" labels on clearly military SKS and sell it abroad, but with these way of doing business there's no guarantee it would work tomorrow, bribes are expensive and ppl in power change... it's pure feudalism out there in Russia, very unpredictable.
- prices are going up everywhere on surplus as supply is drying out. Year ago I looked at wholesale prices on Soviet surplus from Ukraine and believe me - after all said and done and guns are in Canada you won't be buying it from retailers, but rather would look for old imports second hands ownership. Importers are in the business to make money, not in the business to bring us some hard to find toys, they assess market saturation and demand and won't be bringing expensive hard to sell stuff, only something they can make profit on in reasonable time. As local prices are going up importers will be reassessing this, I'm sure. This is generalization of course, there's a company in Germany that holds unbelievable stashes of surplus ammo and guns and some of the items they keep for decades before they start to sell to wholesalers. It's their business model, store for long period of time and get price increase.

So these are the reasons why we're not seeing new and old stuff in the plenty as it used to be. The era of surplus is ending and more modern toys are quickly classified as prohibs... While rest of the world enjoy converted auto or even full-auto, we are stuck with our stupid firearms laws and our politicians and I see no perspective of any possible changes for good. Tons of WW2 and cold war era SMG, MGs and assault rifles out there and we can't have them.


References:
1. Government of Canada Sanctions on Russia - https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/russia-russie.aspx?lang=eng
2. Government of Canada Special Economic Measures (Russia) - https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2014-58/FullText.html
 
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Thanks for the in depth explanation, Horika.
I am new to the RPAL game, only started in 2016, I wasnt aware much about the sanction against certain Russian manufacturer.
Wasnt even aware Baikal was part of Izhevsk! I was under impression is a totally different factory
 
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