Baikal Makarov - need information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhevsk_Mechanical_Plant - checkout Subsidiaries.

I would give you advice many might disagree. Consider "Baikal" if you find one as a place holder. Keep looking for original Mak, be it Soviet or Bulgarian. Quality of Soviet gun made for and most importantly accepted by Soviet military can't be compared with modern Russian production for civilian market, even their reworks of surplus Maks are crude and have ugly modern markings (remember, it has to be "sporing firearm" to be exported, so it has to have those markings). Of course you will get re-barreled one and not for cheap, but it's still very desirable.
I do not have any warm feelings to Maks, I had my share of time shooting them, nothing exciting, I don't want to own one. But I admit Soviet military guns have it's charm and is simple, reliable and quality firearm, while not always pleasant looking. And also there's this "hard or impossible to get" incentive that drives many Canadian collectors in regards of certain Soviet guns.
 
Horilka said:
That's incorrect information. And TB's info on sanctions reasoning is also incorrect. Just couple of bullet points for those who's too lazy to check original documents:
- sanctions do not prohibit import of firearms from Russia, but rather prohibit dealing with certain companies and people. Baikal is a part of Izhevsk factory which is under sanctions (see Schedule 1) and one can't deal with them. Surplus goods that are now properties of other companies and countries is not under prohibition, one can buy surplus Izhevsk production from Russia or Ukraine, provided you're not dealing directly or indirectly to entities under sanctions. Of course I expect no modern production of Izhevsk or subsidiaries like Baikal could get an import permit.
- there's a list of sanctions-related prohibited items, true (Schedule 4), but it doesn't include firearms.
- reason for sanction is not some "proxy oil war" and not our US ally but Canada's condemnation of military aggression against Ukraine that is still ongoing since 2014.
- one can import firearms and ammo from Russia, provided one does not deal with people and companies under sanctions. That's how we were getting Molot snipers (this company btw scammed one Canadian importer) and SKSs and that's how we get Barnaul ammo, modern production.
- another thing to consider is that according to Russian laws no military firearms can be sold abroad, and all these Molots and similar companies are just shells with owners who were able to grease someone's palm and were allowed to slap "hunting / sporting firearm" labels on clearly military SKS and sell it abroad, but with these way of doing business there's no guarantee it would work tomorrow, bribes are expensive and ppl in power change... it's pure feudalism out there in Russia, very unpredictable.
- prices are going up everywhere on surplus as supply is drying out. Year ago I looked at wholesale prices on Soviet surplus from Ukraine and believe me - after all said and done and guns are in Canada you won't be buying it from retailers, but rather would look for old imports second hands ownership. Importers are in the business to make money, not in the business to bring us some hard to find toys, they assess market saturation and demand and won't be bringing expensive hard to sell stuff, only something they can make profit on in reasonable time. As local prices are going up importers will be reassessing this, I'm sure. This is generalization of course, there's a company in Germany that holds unbelievable stashes of surplus ammo and guns and some of the items they keep for decades before they start to sell to wholesalers. It's their business model, store for long period of time and get price increase.

So these are the reasons why we're not seeing new and old stuff in the plenty as it used to be. The era of surplus is ending and more modern toys are quickly classified as prohibs... While rest of the world enjoy converted auto or even full-auto, we are stuck with our stupid firearms laws and our politicians and I see no perspective of any possible changes for good. Tons of WW2 and cold war era SMG, MGs and assault rifles out there and we can't have them.


References:
1. Government of Canada Sanctions on Russia - https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/russia-russie.aspx?lang=eng
2. Government of Canada Special Economic Measures (Russia) - https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2014-58/FullText.html
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That's the longest winded way of saying that bull#### going on in the world led to the pistols not being imported.

Thanks for the details though.

I did not realize it was for Ukraine, I thought it was due to us jumping in with the USA proxy war for syrian oil control and the tensions with Russia from that mess. My apologies. They all kind of went down at the same time to be fair.

It's too bad interammo could not find a party to purchase them from Ishevk factory over there and then buy/import from them. I'd love to see that stuff coming in again :(
 
We have all done stupid ####, Why did I sell Colt Anaconda in 45lc or 1000.oo?, I could go on.
Travis Bickle said:
Lol maybe!
I sold her years ago. If you want to see how accurate you can really shoot that thing buy the fat hogue rubber wraparound grip for it. You can thank me later ;)
I even had the spetznas push through to #### load and off the safety holster.....F**K why did I ever sell that gun!? :S lol
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