baikal mp 153 or Stoeger 2000?

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The gun will be used as a all around gun for turkey and water fowel and the odd time just for fun back field skeet.

Can i get a rifled cantelever barrel for the Stoeger? or the Baikal

Note that i am new to hunting i dont want to invest tons of money into it right away.
 
Or what About a mossberg 930 i think i can get a cantilever barrel for that?
sorry i forgot the mossberg
 
I am on my fourth season with my MP-153s (I have 2 of them, one wood and one black polymer). I use them mainly for Turkey, geese and ducks (but also for upland game and target practice). Will cycle everything including the monster 3 1/2 inch loads (something the Stoeger does not).

It is a gas operated gun and the recoil is relatively softer than inertia operated shotguns. With the same ammo, my MP-153 kicks less than my friends Stoeger 2000.

My order of preference for budget autoloaders is as follows:

1. BAIKAL MP-153
Advantages: 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 inch shells. Soft recoil. Solid gun.
Disadvantages: No cantilever barrel

2. MOSSBERG 930
Advantages: Cantilever barrel available. Soft recoil.
Disadvantages: No 3 1/2 inch chamber.

3. STOEGER 2000
Advantages: Easier to clean.
Disadvantages: No 3 1/2 inch chamber. Kicks like a mule. No cantilever.

My simplistic summary does not include personal/subjective choices such as styling or personal fit.

Another choice can be the 935 version of the Mossberg semi. But the main disadvantage of that gun is its inability to reliably cycle 2 3/4 shells.
 
I've seen several Stoeger shotguns in the local gun shop waiting to be sent back to Stoeger Canada for warranty work. And the shop didn't sell very of them many to start with........

On the other hand they sold lots of MP-153's and have yet to have one in to be repaired.
 
I think i am starting to lean towards the mossberg just becouse of the cantillever barrel thats available do to the fact i cant use a rifle for deer were i live. my only real consern is when i do want to go play with it in the field for skeet we use cheepo value $25 for 100 round ammo #### will the mossberg cycle this stuff?
 
The only issue I'm aware of with the 2000 is that the bolt release button/lever has cracked on some. Luckily I haven't had this issue with mine and I must say it runs like a top. Never, ever jams no matter what you put through it and stays incredibly clean even after hundreds of rounds.
It will cycle the lightest of loads but does kick hard with heavy loads.

I have no experience with the baikal or mossberg.
 
I have no experience with any of the models under consideration. However, from strictly a raw material quality point of view, I would rate them exactly as Tozman has: Baikal, Mossberg, and Stoeger - in that order. None of these makes are building to a price point that allows them to invest a great deal on fit and finish, so there's not much to compare and contrast in that regard.

Since they're very similar in many ways, overall reliability and suitability for personal preferences becomes the deciding factors. On the reliability side, what P.E. Islander posted is consistent with my observations, too. On the personal preferences side, you've already indicated that the availability of the rifled barrel for the Mossberg is a big plus for you.
 
I have a stoeger and love it. As far as recoil i don't think there is any noticable difference in the baikal or the 2000. I've shot both. I'd never buy a baikal as a friend of mine has one and it never works right but alot of people do have good luck with them. Same goes for the 2000. If you want cant. barrel then go with mossberg. If thats not a huge issue then shoulder the other 2 and decide which feels better. If you want the 3.5" option then your decision is even easier.
 
gastch said:
I'd never buy a baikal as a friend of mine has one and it never works right but alot of people do have good luck with them.
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There is a reason a lot of people have good luck with MP153's - they break them in according to the instructions.

If one buys an MP153 it will require:
- Cleaning before you fire it.
- A break-in period of firing of heavy loads.
- Don't go screwing around with the gas adjustment until the required number of break-in heavy loads have been fired.
- Finally, don't take the gas regulator apart, there is no need to.

If someone takes an MP153 out of the box and expects it to work right away with Wally Word target shells they will be disappointed. If you need ready to run out of the box expect to spend two or three times as much - get a Beretta!

Baikial really needs to make a slug/turkey version of their shotgun.

I must say Mossberg autos don't inspire me as I've seen too many sitting around waiting for parts/repairs.
 
Lebaron sells the Remington SPR 453 for about $535.00. It is a rebranded Baikal 153. It even says Baikal on the side still :)

I love mine.
 
Baikal 153's and SPR Remmys take "screw in rifled chokes" shoot Sabots all day long with no worries....
 
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