Bang Flop: Lungs??

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I've read about a lot of guys on here "dropping" a deer with a shot through the lungs or heart, and I have to ask: have you ever shot a deer (or moose, elk) through the vitals and had it drop right there, in its tracks? If so, what cartridge and range?
I've been hunting big game for 6 seasons now, killed some critters myself, and watched a lot of other guys shoot deer/moose/elk through the lungs and heart, and I cannot for the life of me recall one instance where the animal DROPPED. Many of them turned, ran 20 yards, and dropped, but I'm talking about 50BMG-to-the-cerebral-cortex dropped.
The closest I can think of was actually my first whitetail buck. I hit it through both shoulders and its front end collapsed, but it was still trying to get up when I got there. That was with a .25 WSSM from 220 yards. Doesn't count as a bang flop in my book.
 
Antelope a few years back,127 yards with a 300WBY...dropped right there My first bull moose...range 250 yards..340 WBY with a 225 grainer...dropped right there. Cow moose last year at 130 yards...7mm WBY with 175 grainers...dropped right in the spot. An the grand finally about 10 years ago. A buddie of mine winged a white tail buck....458 win mag at 100 yards and it was facing me...a 405 grainer sent on its way and it devastated the vitals as well as severe spinal compression at the same time...and it really dropped right there...:cheers:
 
It does happen, caliber has little to do with it. it is all how and where the bullets impacts the animal. You can have a 300WM pass clean through between ribs and the animal runs before dropping, or you could have a .243 that nails a rib shatters bone and bullet and nails the spine and drops the animal on the spot.

Even seen pure lung shots drop animals due to the shock of the bullet.

All about on game performance of the bullet and how the energy transfers to the animal.
 
Shot my whitetail on Monday. Bang-drop, not a twitch. Dead before it hit the ground.

60 yards, .30-06, 180gr corelokt, quartering away slightly. Entrance wound just behind the right shoulder, exit wound at the base of the neck on the left side, spine was not severed.
 
Sure, I've had a few bang flops or bang! One step, flop with lung shots. Mostly using TSX and TTSX, Nosler Partition and Accubond bullets, on deer and bear and moose...

Also had some very well hit animals run a bit.

If you want ot be sure of a bang flop., you need to take out the shoulders properly (1/3 up form the bottom of the chest) and that almost always does the trick. CNS shots also will, of course.
 
I can remember a few....a big whitetail buck on the run at 297 yards a few years back that was instantly dead shot through the lungs. My first mule deer, shot square through the liver at about 60 yards (what can I say, I was six), still waiting to see one killed that dead that quickly. Was like the earth came up and smacked him.

One or two others from a 264....But most of them from that little 6mm shooting 100gr softpoints. Lightening.
 
I had alot of bang flops when I used regular bullets (Hornady BTSP). Since I switched to premium bullets I have had mostly short runs but always an exit and nice blood trail (not always there with the regular bullets) I think it had alot to do with the bullet coming apart and expending all it's energy inside the chest. I had a few that were like the rug got pulled out from under them and zero twitching Mostly this was with shoulder hits and heart. I have found most lung shots result in a short run with a stop and then tumble.
 
lots of bang flops with lots of different bullets and calibers. 140 TSX from a 7mm08, 165 SST from a 300 WSM, 180 Fusion from a 30-06. All were pure lung or lung/heart shots, and one lung/liver quartering shot.

And a couple of neck/spine shots, and one head shot that were, obviously, bang-flops.
 
I've got a pile that went straight down. The chances go way up with high velocity,soft bullets and shoulder and spine hits. Broadside shouldershot animals often act exactly like they are spined, so I have no trouble believeing their wireing got all messed up.
Frontal chest shots tend to pile them up too. Lung shots usually run, as do most deer sized animals shot with bullets better suited to a buffalo.
 
I agree about frontal chest shots...Drop like a sack of hammers- as long as you have enough horsepower. It's not a shot I would take on a moose with a .243.:p
 
Last years 4x4 buck at 175 yards was dead before it hit the ground after being hit with a 117g sst out of my .25-06. The shot went through the shoulders. This years 4x4 dropped to the shot from a .243 at 100 yards. He was coming at me and the bullet went in through the neck through the lung and went up through the spine.
 
yidava25 said:
I've read about a lot of guys on here "dropping" a deer with a shot through the lungs or heart, and I have to ask: have you ever shot a deer (or moose, elk) through the vitals and had it drop right there, in its tracks? If so, what cartridge and range?
I've been hunting big game for 6 seasons now, killed some critters myself, and watched a lot of other guys shoot deer/moose/elk through the lungs and heart, and I cannot for the life of me recall one instance where the animal DROPPED. Many of them turned, ran 20 yards, and dropped, but I'm talking about 50BMG-to-the-cerebral-cortex dropped.
The closest I can think of was actually my first whitetail buck. I hit it through both shoulders and its front end collapsed, but it was still trying to get up when I got there. That was with a .25 WSSM from 220 yards. Doesn't count as a bang flop in my book.
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I don't recall ever seeing an animal drop in its tracks from being shot only through the heart or lungs, they generally run. Some stand still and collapse after some time as is the case with some moose and bison. By this I mean a shot which doesn't touch the shoulder or spinal column,lungs and/or heart only.
A "bang flop" means you should quickly reload and stay on target. I've seen many "dead" animals get up and run after cheering and high fiveing. :)
 
Probably half the deer I've shot over the years have dropped in their tracks. Probably 15 or so, high heart/lung drops deer sized game fast.

Others went 50 to 400 yards with big raggedy holes in the lungs.
 
The only bang-flops that I can remember happened when the animal was shot through or very close to the spinal column .
If you want instantaneus bang-flops without a twitch you gotta sever the spine at the base of the skull .
That being said I suppose if you used a big enough and fast enough magnum caliber you would maybe probably could get enough hydraulic shock for a bang flop if you hit them in the hoof .
I shot a big buck today at a distance of 250 yards .He ran approx. 100 yds. with a bullet hole through both lungs. (My 280 Remington scores again for the 28th time and yes, Virginia, it is a Model 700 Remington)
I double lunged a big buck(The /93 Buck) with a 30-06 at about 100 yds. and he bang-flopped .When I gutted him out I noticed that a piece of shattered rib(or part of the bullet ) had glanced up and sliced through his spinal cord .
I shot another big buck through both lungs and he never moved . I was going to put another bullet into him when I noticed that his head was slowly starting to tip forward. His head kept tipping forward until his muzzle touched the ground , then his whole body collapsed . 200 plus yds. standing still shot with 280 Rem. 139 gr. Hornady.
I've shot a few moose that were bang flops but there again bullet placement was high up in the spine at the base of the skull and again with the 280 Rem. using 139 gr. Hornady.
 
My second deer last year was a smallish whitetail doe. I shot her while on the dead run at about 85yds. Bullet hit her while she was stretched out in mid gallop and went in directly under her front shoulder (what would be her armpit if she had arms). She piled up immediately when her front hooves hit the ground, like she had been hit with a truck. It was lung soup when I opened her up. The bullet was found in several pieces lodged against the inside of the far shoulder.

Rifle was a BSA CF-2 in 6.5x55, ammo was Federal Blue Box 140gr SP.

Mark
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
It does happen, caliber has little to do with it. it is all how and where the bullets impacts the animal. You can have a 300WM pass clean through between ribs and the animal runs before dropping, or you could have a .243 that nails a rib shatters bone and bullet and nails the spine and drops the animal on the spot.

Even seen pure lung shots drop animals due to the shock of the bullet.

All about on game performance of the bullet and how the energy transfers to the animal.
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no kidding! I shot a white tail buck at just under 200 yrds with my .243 win. it took out a rib going in, the bullet broke in two. I found a hole through the heart, and the back half of the bullet turned straight up and lodged itself in the spine. a potatoe sack wouldnt have fallen to the ground that fast!
 
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