Barnard action model "S" repeater

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Gentlemen - I am going to build a Tactical / F (F) class rifle in 308 Win. I just phoned Robertson Stocks about the Barnard "S" repeater actions. According to the them the "S" type has a Remington style magazine cutout and will work with the V-Bull, H-S or Bardger bottom metal with AI magazines.

Has anyone had any gunsmithing or actual experience with these combinations?

Also if I want a safety it must be the type that is in front of the trigger, like the Jewell. Is this a potential problem in Tactical shooting?

Thanks for your help, Jay
 
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Gentlemen - I am going to build a Tactical / F (F) class rifle in 308 Win. I just phoned Robertson Stocks about the Barnard "S" repeater actions. According to the them the "S" type has a Remington style magazine cutout and will work with the V-Bull, H-S or Bardger bottom metal with AI magazines.

Has anyone had any gunsmithing or actual experience with these combinations?

Also if I want a safety it must be the type that is in front of the trigger, like the Jewell. Is this a potential problem in Tactical shooting?

Thanks for your help, Jay

I did one a while ago (I don't remember what bottom metal) and found it was quite finicky on feeding... the bottom metal had to be set just right for depth and angle for it to feed. Not much lee way or it would not feed... I think it has to do with the long area within the front receiver ring before the bullet engages the chamber. I wish Barnard made the bottom metal too, maybe it would be easier to make it feed well.
 
I have had 2 built by ATR

And as guntech said......VERY FINICKY....... It took many hours and an extra guinea pig clip to sort it out, now it works fine...... But it took a lot a putzn with it. And i also have the saftey thats in front of the trigger.......As for tactical well...i dunno, but works great for my field purposes.
 
Tell Barnard you'll buy one that doesn't have a locking lug path cut through the feed ramp. What a stupid idea. Bullets feeding into the chamber is kind of a big deal. Aside from that, very smooth bolt. Your gunsmith should have prior experience with working on one before he attempts to make one work or he'll end up charging you huge for the work or just lose his shirt on the deal.
 
If we put it in one of our stocks I will guarantee it will work flawlessly.


The one I built was in your stock and it ended up working fine... it just required quite tiddly adjustments in bedding of the bottom metal to get it to feed.

Nice stocks by the way. I have worked on a few now. I like them...
 
I didn't say it needed our stock to work properly, we only work with our stocks. Like guntech says set up is important. Also some cartridges are a bugger to feed in any action as any gunsmith can tell you and bradtothebone can testify. I also know that Excel is talking about a 308win. Not to mention, I have a Winchester 70 in 308 that jams, you would expect that one to be simple!
 
Gentlemen - I am going to build a Tactical / F (F) class rifle in 308 Win. I just phoned Robertson Stocks about the Barnard "S" repeater actions. According to the them the "S" type has a Remington style magazine cutout and will work with the V-Bull, H-S or Bardger bottom metal with AI magazines.

Has anyone had any gunsmithing or actual experience with these combinations?

Also if I want a safety it must be the type that is in front of the trigger, like the Jewell. Is this a potential problem in Tactical shooting?

Thanks for your help, Jay

Regardless of whose stock you use, for pure F class the Barnard action would probably work well, especially in a single shot configuration.
For anything truly Tactical I can think of quite a number of actions better suited for the job.
The Barnards are NOT really Tactical friendly for many reasons in my opinion.

1, They have a tight tolerance action specifically designed for Benchrest and F Class shooting, so any debris that gets in the action will cause problems, Tactical shooting means shooting in less than sterile conditions so this IS an issue to consider. I had Nesika increase some of their tolerances and modify several of their standard designs for the tactical rifles I build on their actions, there will be further modifications yet once we produce our own actions to further prevent this and some other issues that true tactical shooters contend with.

2, Feeding issues will cost you points or even matches, regardless of the action. Go with an action that is designed to be mag fed, not an action that has been modified a accept a generic mag system. After a ton of dickin around with Brads 2 Barnards they feed "most" of the time, for varmit work this is acceptable, for Tactical competition work it is not, you need something bomb proof if you have any plan to win. Most conversions use AI mags there is a reason for this, they work. Unless Barnard has added feed rails since the last 1s I built on, this still could be an issue.

3, To have any cartridge not 100% supported in the chamber means added agravation for reliable feeding of reloaded ammo, the Barnards use a flat back barrel, and a slightly recessed bolt face. I was advised by Barnard to chamfer the chambers a few mm to help make feeding more reliable, or even possible, this causes rings around the brass just ahead of the extractor groove on the casing.

4, To have a safety that is ahead of the trigger may be ok for Benchrest or F Class shooting but will likely get your rifle disqualified in most Tactical matches as being a safety concern, no pun intended. Shooting with gloves on with this style of safety could also be an issue.

You need to decide on what type of shooting you plan to focus on primarily, then pick the parts that will do the best job for that purpose. Each manufacturer of actions and stocks have some positive aspects as well as some negative aspects. Trying to get the right balance is the hard part.

In my own situation with the 50 cal actions I currently build, they are extremely tight tolerance and probably the stongest action on the market, but they are very slow to operate and very suseptable to malfunction from getting dirty so must be kept surgically clean, but the rifles are also surgically accurate. Would I want to take 1 to battle where my life was at stake? Not a chance!! Having been involved in a "police action" long ago and far away, know what sorts of conditions exist on a battle field a "precision rifle" is a real detriment to health.
 
... so dig out your 700, and build a rifle... :D

For alot of "Tactical" rifles the 700 platform is great as the tolerances are loose enough that it takes alot of junk to keep them from functioning.
The other positive part of the 700s is the sheer number of aftermarket parts that are available.
The 700 is not necessarily the best action in the world, but certainly the most copied and built on.
 
you are correct Ian

that some cartridges dont feed very well, but rick has mine sorted out now, it feeds MOST of the time, but I am happy with that.....The odd round that hangs up doesnt bother me at alll.....

The action is definity the smoothest i have ever used, and while I was shooting it in Summerland, you can feel the difference a little of dust sticking on the bolt makes.......Night and day....


i really like it, but dont think for all the work it was, if i did it again, i probably would choose a different action, one designed for mag feed as Rick said, As a single shot, why not.....

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I would instead talk with Ian about a Stiller TAC30. It took nothing to get it feeding cartridges out of HS bottom metal and mags.
And it made a freakin' accurate rifle....
 
In my opinion, a straight walled action like the winchesters, Sakos and the Stillers among others are some of the hardest actions to bed properly. The round actions just seem to bed far easier. As far as accurate action, some actions are easier to make shooter accurately then others but for the most part, as long as the action is trued up and the lugs are lapped before chambering, some of the cheapest actions put together properly can outshoot the majority of shooters out there.
 
In my opinion, a straight walled action like the winchesters, Sakos and the Stillers among others are some of the hardest actions to bed properly. The round actions just seem to bed far easier. As far as accurate action, some actions are easier to make shooter accurately then others but for the most part, as long as the action is trued up and the lugs are lapped before chambering, some of the cheapest actions put together properly can outshoot the majority of shooters out there.

The Stiller TAC30 is a round action. It was very easy to bed, and I believe that a square bottom action is quite easy to bed if the stock was inletted properly. I heard it said, and agree that the round action is the stiffest, but it seems that quite a few benchrest type of actions are flat bottomed.

Again, I'd go to Ian about a Stiller, and get the .300" recoil lug. Ask anyone on this board that has one, and you will find a happy customer.
 
My bad; THe Stiller action I googled must have been some other type then because the one I saw was block shaped with verticle walls much like a Win M70.
 
My bad; THe Stiller action I googled must have been some other type then because the one I saw was block shaped with verticle walls much like a Win M70.

The more Bench Rest type actions I believe are square bottomed, but the TAC and Predator are round bottomed.
Don't worry, if you knew everything about guns it wouldn't be fun anymore:D
 
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