What's everyone's experience with these on fur? And I'm not talking one or two coyotes , I'm talking 10 - 20. An actual number of coyotes where you see how they work from different angles and entry points. If you can get them to work, do they stay in the body? How do you rate them as an actual fur bullet.
Barnes Varmint Grenade Bullets On Fur
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I never understood why people recommend FMJ's for fur. Why have two caliber-sized holes and minimal internal damage when you can have only one hole and utter devastation inside? But it's not like FMJ's just pencil through all the time, either. If they start to tumble - which they do - you run a sizable risk of having them exit sideways or fragment outright and make a messy exit. This is why the 223 makes such an effective combat round when paired with the right FMJ's.
As far as the VG - I've found it's somewhat less frangible than the 35 and 40 grain Hornady VMAX, but more fragile than the TNT.
Should be just the ticket for a yote, I'd be surprised if you see any exits at all with the 36 grain 224s
As far as the VG - I've found it's somewhat less frangible than the 35 and 40 grain Hornady VMAX, but more fragile than the TNT.
Should be just the ticket for a yote, I'd be surprised if you see any exits at all with the 36 grain 224s
fmj versus a big hole
Great topic - why I use a FMJ rather than an explosive type bullet. I shoot both a 218 and 218K Bee. I have used Nosler ballistic tips and you bet they are very accurate. Have also played with grenades on gophers with catastrophic results to the gopher. In the 25 years of whacking foxes, coyotes and wolves the FMJ has always and I mean always done its job as long as I do my part properly. I do reload, shoot weekly, am also a trapper and I hate having to put a hide back together when 2 or 3 stitches will suffice.
I have never had a round go sideways or tumble on me. With the exception of wolves I have always pushed right through and have always had terminal results on the thin skinned game. Having done several hundred necropsies. Just a personal conclusion from the necropsies, being a thin skinned game and also a smaller type game all the vittles so to say are alot more compact, usually the heart is chunked up pretty good. That tiny hole on the lungs times two is pretty solid, a good shoulder shot with a good FMJ will penetrate, the head shot is always terminal.
As a trapper the quality of my fur is what turns a 60 dollar coyote into a 30 partial dammage real quick. Another reason for the FMJ, there are many theories to full metal jacket versus the rapid expanding. I have also been very fortunate to have let a few rounds off whilst in Afrique and the name of the game is full metal jacket. As a matter of fact it was law on dangerous game where we hung our humble hats. Will not even start with the big name Afrikan hunters who hunted exclusively with FMJs
I have had several wilderness ATTs over the years and the ammo of choice has always been a hopped-up cast swc, penetration was paramount dealing with bears that were always in a water enviroment.
Hell maybe I am wrong but I firmly believe if I shoot within mine and my rifles abilities, its only a bee a deadly bee but a bee none the less, there is no reason a fmj would not work.
I thank you.
Great topic - why I use a FMJ rather than an explosive type bullet. I shoot both a 218 and 218K Bee. I have used Nosler ballistic tips and you bet they are very accurate. Have also played with grenades on gophers with catastrophic results to the gopher. In the 25 years of whacking foxes, coyotes and wolves the FMJ has always and I mean always done its job as long as I do my part properly. I do reload, shoot weekly, am also a trapper and I hate having to put a hide back together when 2 or 3 stitches will suffice.
I have never had a round go sideways or tumble on me. With the exception of wolves I have always pushed right through and have always had terminal results on the thin skinned game. Having done several hundred necropsies. Just a personal conclusion from the necropsies, being a thin skinned game and also a smaller type game all the vittles so to say are alot more compact, usually the heart is chunked up pretty good. That tiny hole on the lungs times two is pretty solid, a good shoulder shot with a good FMJ will penetrate, the head shot is always terminal.
As a trapper the quality of my fur is what turns a 60 dollar coyote into a 30 partial dammage real quick. Another reason for the FMJ, there are many theories to full metal jacket versus the rapid expanding. I have also been very fortunate to have let a few rounds off whilst in Afrique and the name of the game is full metal jacket. As a matter of fact it was law on dangerous game where we hung our humble hats. Will not even start with the big name Afrikan hunters who hunted exclusively with FMJs
I have had several wilderness ATTs over the years and the ammo of choice has always been a hopped-up cast swc, penetration was paramount dealing with bears that were always in a water enviroment.
Hell maybe I am wrong but I firmly believe if I shoot within mine and my rifles abilities, its only a bee a deadly bee but a bee none the less, there is no reason a fmj would not work.
I thank you.
Interesting point of view.
I have always looked at it from the other side. I prefer a small fast bullet with massive energy dump and very fragile tip. Like a 223 or 22-250 with a 40gr bullet, small hole in and turns the inside to jello.
I bought some from P&D in Edmonton, they do mail order if you can't find any out east.
http://www.p-d-ent.com/pages/ourstore.html
http://www.p-d-ent.com/pages/ourstore.html
