barrel burn out

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I've read a few articles lately that deal with barrel burnout/wearing out and the inaccuracies that come with it. Is this really a "real" issue, or something the magazines just talk about to get you going to buy new rifles and parts? Hype, if you will. If so, how many rounds would one have to shoot before you experience something like this? I mean some military guns shoot hundreds or thousands of rounds at a time, and I've never seen a barrel changed along with reloading...sooo?

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The hammer forging process of rifling a gun barrel was invented specifically to deal with the horrendous rate machineguns eat up their barrels. Barrels that used to take many minutes to rifle were then being rifled in just a few seconds. Cool HUH! (Process does not produce a target quality barrel)

The 50 caliber sniper rifle was "invented" by a small gunsmith, Bill Holmes (now deceased) as a project to do something with the 50 dollar military surplus .50 caliber machinegun barrels which flooded the market in the states periodically. A military power might figure they needed dozens of spare barrels for every operating machinegun, then replace them and release old stock for any of a number of reasons known only to some desk jockey in a basement somewhere.

As for changing barrels, machineguns often have a quick change feature that will allow a smoking hot barrel to be taken off, and changed back and forth with another barrel to prevent cooking off.

So yes, "military" guns, go through barrels fast.

For the most part though, it depends on the caliber and rate of fire. Most centerfire rifles operate at much higher temperature and pressure than pistols, and rimfires.

It also depends on how much wear is acceptable to you, the user, and what material the barrel and bore is made of. If your standards are low you can shoot it until the barrel has so little rifling it doesn't want to spin (and so stabilize) your bullets anymore. I've never seen it, but I've heard of it.

What caliber are we talking about? I've heard hot small bores like 22-250's might get only a couple thousand rounds of peak accuracy. Pistols shoot almost forever, and .22 rifles take a helluva lot of rounds to wear out, but ammo is so cheap that they often do, and need to be rebarrelled, thrown out, or drilled out and a liner installed.
 
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There are a lot of variables, the biggest being how hot you get the barrel. I've seen a .308 get pretty cooked after 800 rounds simply because on a single hot day the shooter kept pounding round after round down range. I've seen a similar rifle go almost 9000 rounds before the accuarcy started to go.

Factors like powder capacity and how over bore the cartridge play a factor as well. Also a benchrest shooter might dump a barrel when accuracy falls off to 1/2 moa. Whereas others might wait until 1 moa.

Military barrels like those on machine guns and assult rifles last so long because they are chrome lined and accuracy requirements are a lot less. Even so i've watched a C9 barrel get toasted pretty quick.
 
haha, I fired my C9 Barrel until it was red hot on several occasions, not because I did not think it was a good idea, but becasue I could! The bullets were going where I intended them to go, (in that general direction) so accuracy depends on the application. It sure was fun. I think I might have fired 2000 rounds that night.
I read chromed barrels do nothing for accuracy, but only extend the life up to about 30,000 rounds.
 
What caliber are we talking about? I've heard hot small bores like 22-250's might get only a couple thousand rounds of peak accuracy. Pistols shoot almost forever, and .22 rifles take a helluva lot of rounds to wear out, but ammo is so cheap that they often do, and need to be rebarrelled, thrown out, or drilled out and a liner installed.


How do you drill out a barrel and install a liner on a burnt out barrel and how does it increase accuraccy????
 
Accuracy deterioration generally results from throat erosion. Accurate life depends on a number of factors. Acceptable standard of accuracy must be defined. In a precision rifle, accuate barrel life can range from several hundred to several thousand rounds, depending on the calibre and cartridge. Throat erosion can be easily observed by noting how far a bullet must be seated out to make contact with the leade. For long range target shooting, a barrel is often considered to be failing when vertical dispersion in the group appears. This results from velocity variations. High intensity, overbore cartridges will have shorter barrel life than more moderate ones, all else being equal.
To the best of my knowledge, the first .50 calibre rifle sniping was done by William Brophy in Korea. He started with a .50M2 Browning fitted with a 'scope, then continued with a PTRD rebarrelled with a Browning barrel, also scoped.
Chrome plating, Stellite throat inserts, special steel, etc, all contribute to longer barrel service life for military firearms. Broach, button and hammer forging are all faster methods of rifling a barrel than traditional cut rifling. Doesn't matter if the barrels are for rifles, pistols or machine guns, production time is reduced. Hammer forged barrels can be very accurate: the Steyr SSG is an example. Many rifle manufacturers use forged barrels, and accuracy is excellent.
Early machineguns were water cooled for a reason. With the steels available, barrels could be quickly burned out. The original barrels used in .50 aircooled guns had rather short service lives. The .50s intended for sustained fire were water cooled. Quick change barrels were an attempt to create a lighter gun that could still produce an acceptable volume of fire. The MG42 was issued with three barrels, and these were routinely rotated. One spare for a Bren. Even the MG08 water cooled gun carried a spare barrel on its mount.
Sleeving can be a way of restoring accuracy to a barrel. The large naval rifles are tubed. Generally speaking though, only low intensity barrels are routinely sleeved. One reason is the bottlenecked cartridge is much larger in diameter than the bore. It is a safety issue. It is easy to sleeve a .22, and if the liner is of high quality, accuracy can be just as good as with the original bore. A piloted drill is used, the tube is bonded or soldered it. A successful job can be done with hand tools.
 
Hammer forged barrels delivery better accuracy ,take less time to manufacture and have better quality control , Than the standard button rifled or cut rifled barrels that are on the current sporting rifles that are on the market today . As for the claim that Hammer Forged Barrels are better in a MG roll I highly doubt that most if not all MG barrels have a stellite lined throat and crown area this does improve longevity in Full auto fire
 
Barrel liners are used mostly on low pressure rounds, not cals. like the 22/250. Throat erosion is caused by heat and pressure, the higher the heat, the more erosion. So, an overbore capacity cartridge, loaded hot, and not allowed to cool between shots will erode the throat in as little as 1000rds or so. Unless you have a borescope, it will be hard to tell except for you groups, will start to loosen up. Luckily, you can have the existing barrel rechambered in some cases and only lose a couple of inches.
 
Throat erosion is caused by heat and pressure, the higher the heat, the more erosion.
Yep, the throat is exposed to the highest teperatures for the longest duration during the course of the bullets traverse down the bore. Powder flame temperatures in excess of 2500 C (steel melting range of 1500 C) coupled with a rapid succession of many rounds will provide enough energy in the form of heat to the surface atoms of the steel in the throat area to sublimate a significant amount of material here.
 
I agree with buckbrush about the Bill Holmes 50cal build. I wasn't there so I don't know for sure but from what I read Sgt. Carlos Hathcock had a miltary armour, Mcguvor a rifle with a bunch of 50 BMG parts to build the first 50 sniper rifle. As for barrel burn out when its not doing what you want it to anymore, its time for it to go, doesn't matter how many shots thought it.
 
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As for barrel burn out when its not doing what you want it to, its time for it to go, doesn't matter how many shoots thought it.

BINGO!!:D

If your talking precision rifles as we are in a precision rifle part of a forum Deadshot nailed it with this quote. Machinegun barrels, and such are realy not on topic in my opinion. There is a product that is called microlon gun Juice that extends the life of your barrel, I use it religously and it works wonders on my rifles.

The whole point of precision rifles is in my opinion pin point precision or as close to as you can get. Once your barrel wears you loose consistancy and with the loss of consistancy, accuracy. The question is how much accuracy are you going to give up before you change that barrel. And at the price of barrels your realy not talking a hell of a lot of money when you considder what you have paid in your rifle, reloading equip and other kit, it is quite trivial to change a barrel.

Barrels are better built now, and there are products out there that extend the life of the barrels as well as proper cleaning and maintenance. Some calibers will wear barrels faster than others, but barrel wear is not like you just bought a rifle and in 2 months your gotta change your barrel...but if you do I sure wish I had your ammo budget and time.:p:D

Just my opinion.;)
 
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