Barrel Fluting

Is that who that SOB is? Man...and I thought he was slightly less retarded than Russell....that's a shame.


I think when this 8T 6.5mm SS Shilen is screwed onto an action it will get rain gutters cut into it.
 
Ya you can call and order direct from Mcmillan. All the import BS is included in the price. You just have to pay duty on the stock when its dropped off at your house.

You can also order from 24hourcampfires shop.
 
guntech said:
Lots of fuss over a small word...

Fluting changes the internal shape and dimensions of the bore... hopefully as little as possible.

If anyone flutes a barrel with the purpose of gaining accuracy - that would be ludicrous... as there are simply no facts that would support that idea... ask the barrel makers...
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Quoted from Krieger Barrels FAQ:
Q: How does fluting a barrel help?

A: Fluting reduces weight while increasing rigidity over an unfluted barrel of the same weight, ie: smaller contour. By exposing more exterior surface area, it also aids in cooling your barrel. On the barrel contours that we will flute, we expect the same practical accuracy out of a fluted barrel vs. an un-fluted barrel as long as it is fluted by us. A note on fluting done by others: We have researched and performed fluting using many different methods over the years and have really perfected the system we use. Like any other outside operations performed on our barrels, we will not be responsible for the results of other methods of fluting performed by gunsmiths/machinists other than Krieger Barrels, Inc.
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Alex
 
They do not claim fluting will be more accurate... at best they expect the same practical accuracy if they do the fluting on their barrel.
 
Apparently or conveniently Krieger flunked Physics 101. You know the part about every action having a reaction. I agree that a fluted barrel will cool faster than the same contour non fluted barrel due to the increased surface area, however due to physics they must then heat faster. This is the part that the barrel makers never tell you about.
Also with different barrel wall thicknesses the barrel will heat unevenly, and I can not see how that can be beneficial to accuracy.
 
Yes and no on the heating/cooling. As a fluted barrel typically starts life one contour larger than it would if it was a non-fluted barrel on the same rifle, heating would actually occur less rapidly than on the smaller contour rifle but cooling would be better. Truthfully, I think the gains in cooling, stiffness and weight loss are all just good excuses for a rifle to look cool. I don't doubt these advantages occur but is it to a noticeable level....in most cases likely not. But dang they look nice.

I've had far more issues with light contour barrels losing accuracy to heating than fluted barrels on slightly heavier contours. I'm not sure the uneven heated is a measureable problem either.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Apparently or conveniently Krieger flunked Physics 101. You know the part about every action having a reaction. I agree that a fluted barrel will cool faster than the same contour non fluted barrel due to the increased surface area, however due to physics they must then heat faster. This is the part that the barrel makers never tell you about.
Also with different barrel wall thicknesses the barrel will heat unevenly, and I can not see how that can be beneficial to accuracy.
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But at the end of the Day its your piece of kit. If paying a couple hundred bucks for fluting is your thing then go for it. There are some very strong opinions against fluting but most of it stems from frustration from people who are tired off seeing new rifles from either factory or gun smiths were the fluting is "overplayed". There are plenty of new guys to the shooting who are being duped into thinking that flutes really do make a barrel stronger and more accurate than an identical non fluted barrel. This frustrates those who understand the above mentioned principle. There are plenty of won matches with a fluted barrel so if done right it wont make any significant difference for or against accuracy. My opinion is if a weapons barrel is inevitably going to get hot and you want to cool it as fast as possible IE 25mm bushmaster then sure, I get the flutes. If your trying to prevent something from getting hot in the first place get a thick contour. If your trying to shave off a few oz get a lighter contour. If you like the looks well to each his own.
 
swissinn said:
Accuracy international did significant testing that concluded that barrel fluting caused POI shifts when they warmed up. Therefor I would leave it alone.
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alberta tactical rifle said:
Apparently or conveniently Krieger flunked Physics 101. You know the part about every action having a reaction. I agree that a fluted barrel will cool faster than the same contour non fluted barrel due to the increased surface area, however due to physics they must then heat faster. This is the part that the barrel makers never tell you about.
Also with different barrel wall thicknesses the barrel will heat unevenly, and I can not see how that can be beneficial to accuracy.
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What I get from all this is fluted barrels when they get hot are more likely to heat up unevenly in the contours of the lands and grooves of the rifling. Likely.... not for sure! That being said atrs also told me to not heat up my barrel any hotter than what the sensitive part of my forearm could withstand comfortably. They said this as a rule of thumb after I asked how to make my new custom last and stay accurate and the amount of rounds before the barrels accuracy would be affected. I inquired there thoughts on fluting non fluted barrels they said they don't do it because of these reasons. That being said they told me if at all possible keep the heat down on the non fluted rifle they sold me. Makes sense heat destroys things faster, I also own fluted barrel rifles so I'm not partial to either really it's more how it looks like most things(women)hehe. Anyways I learned a whole lot and I assume the science sort of backs the advice. If you never get either barrel fluted or otherwise to hot to my understanding it's probably somewhat a non issue. From now on though I'm sticking with non fluted unless it's rim fire as I feel that that round at 50 to 100 yards probably doesn't much matter at least for what I use it for.

Nick
 
Any advice or true knowledge is better than ignorance of not knowing or being told no? Plus if it was just places to get it done it would have only been two pages lol ..... Yea I guess the op's true question of where and how might now be should I and why.... In my opinion doing nothing is better then doing something with regret down the road. After finding out additional unknown information that might have otherwise made the decision or outcome different for better or for worse. I guess that is life but we are in the age of information man and it's great !
 
i like the looks of fluted barrels and bolts. i doubt there is many benifits other than looks. you need a hefty barrel to really remove weight. my #5 barreled 375 weighs the same as a #4 conture. a noticable amount of weight. my 30 06 mountain conture i'm not sure you could feel the difference but it looks sweet.
 
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