Barrel for Stag 10

We sell gas tubes from Faxon and Stag. They are identical rifle length tubes. We made similar inquiries as mileageman last year and can confirm Faxon recommends and sells the standard DPMS rifle length tube. The gas ports are indeed slightly further out on the Faxon barrels.
 
chicu1981 said:
So any more comments on Faxon vs Criterion? I am torn
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I don’t think the Criterion is s pencil barrel , but more of a medium profile.
So it should be good for range use as well as hunting.

Also in regards to fluting,it appears the only benifit is weight savings.( which makes zero sense, if buying a barrel)
I’ve read that the fluted barrel cools faster,so therefore it heats faster.
Also ,the fluting makes the barrel less rigid.
 
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Idk I find it weird how faxon and fulton both have the armalite spec gas block location yet only fulton says to use the armalite length tube.

There was a lot of hate early on for stainless fluted barrels due to them blowing apart like a banana peel, especially in cold weather. Now the 416'r' is supposed to be a more resiliant steel. 4150 is a great steel, it's what ford uses in there axles vs every one else using 4140. But barrel manufacturers don't heat treat the carbon steel barrels in the traditional red hot quench in oil fashion. 416r is an incredibly low carbon steel, and is easier to form more precise rifling. Yes ideal combo is 4150 chrome plated, but it too sufferes from throat and gas port erosion. Only difference is solid steel won't form a burr or chip in the throat area. It would be interesting to do a nitride stainless vs chrome carbon durability test. But who has 20000rds or more of ammo and other parts to burn through for a $500 barrel test.
 
If I were you I would choose the Fulton in that case.
Its shorter which is nice for carrying while hunting.
It is chrome lined so it should last you longer as well so you shouldn't have to worry about burning a match barrel by plinking.
 
Brianma65 said:
I don’t think the Criterion is s pencil barrel , but more of a medium profile.
So it should be good for range use as well as hunting.

Also in regards to fluting,it appears the only benifit is weight savings.( which makes zero sense, if buying a barrel)
I’ve read that the fluted barrel cools faster,so therefore it heats faster.
Also ,the fluting makes the barrel less rigid.
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Where do you guys find this stuff?
Why does weight savings make no sense to try for?
Are you heating the barrel with radiant heat?
The cooling increase is due to increased surface area able to dissipate heat. Because of lost mass sure it wont "absorb" as much heat as a solid barrel (before slinging shots) but we're not shooting full autos with linked rounds here in Canuckistan..and it will dissipate the heat it does get faster due to surface area.

Fluting makes it less rigid? Are I-Beams less rigid than a chunk of solid? The fluting and the arcs involved make the barrel more rigid per pound.

I'd really love to know what kind of distances and rate of fire you guys are capable of and attempting with these rifles vs. reality.
 
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Where do you guys find this stuff?
Why does weight savings make no sense to try for?
Are you heating the barrel with radiant heat?
The cooling increase is due to increased surface area able to dissipate heat. Because of lost mass sure it wont "absorb" as much heat as a solid barrel (before slinging shots) but we're not shooting full autos with linked rounds here in Canuckistan..and it will dissipate the heat it does get faster due to surface area.

Fluting makes it less rigid? Are I-Beams less rigid than a chunk of solid? The fluting and the arcs involved make the barrel more rigid per pound.
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I get this stuff from reading articles that were written by experts and tested by engineers. I spent the day reading articles on the subject and that’s what I took away.

Is an Ibeam as strong as a solid piece of steel.
I don’t know, but cutting grooves in a round piece of steel is different than cutting grooves into square steel.

I’m no engineer, but it makes sense , if you cut grooves/flutes into the barrel, it’ll cool down faster, but it’ll also heat up faster.
Smoke and mirrors ,Snake oil BS, fabricated by the barrel manufacturers, to sell more products.
Then you have vendors on here, spouting BS, like they even have a clue what they’re talking about.

The only true way to know, is buy all three and test them for yourself
 
The fluting cuts into the strength of it in a radial way. Not so much axial which is what you want to care about in terms of barrel harmonics, unless your gonna spline your barrel and use it as a backup axle for your Ford.
Yes. It WILL heat up faster due to lost mass. But it will cool faster.

Its not snake oil or BS. Its progressively diminishing returns and only your budget and needs can dictate what that's worth it.
 
b_w. said:
In what way is Criterion Superior to Ibi?
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This.
For the money it better be but my IBI is shooting real nice. I could see it being a touch more polished cosmetically but I would see the accuracy potential being similar. And if you don't plan on hand loading you probably won't see maximum accuracy, plus it's a semi auto and you are less likely to see benchrest precision.
If you are going to be shooting surplus rounds through it I would just pick the cheapest one IMO.
If price isn't a concern go carbon fiber.
Really your intended purpose dictates your choices, so really what's your main concern?
The 3 things you listed on doing with it are very different. I consider hunting and bench shooting have similar accuracy demands but you don't want a bull barrel hunting and I doubt you'll need one anyways as a medium profile will take the heat most will give it. Then there's the plinking.... you might want a thicker chrome lined barrel to handle the heat and volume but accuracy might not matter that much so if you plan on hunting later a lighter barrel can be good.
I hike many miles when I hunt and my rifle is like 12 lbs, I just stay in shape.
Also it's a 308 so you'll probably get 6000 accurate rounds out of it and barrels are disposable. If you want something high volume get a barrel from POF.
 
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