Barrel length effectiveness

I've had my share of shorty AR 15s, and I've even built a couple of 5.56 chambered 7" barreled GeBoomenloudens. The HORRIBLE muzzle blast, flash, and velocity loss all combined to convince me that chopping a 5.56 caliber barrel this short goes past any sensible point of diminishing returns. The concussion with 5.56 BALL from all that powder burning outside the 7" barrel, is downright unpleasant.

My current favorite AR 15 is my 10.5" LMT, which is totally reliable and accurate enough [ 2 - 3 " @ 100 yds ]. However, muzzle blast is still excessive, and as reported by my neighbors on the range, is even greater [ SHARPER any how ] than 7.62 NATO BALL out of an 19" M14 shorty. Since I usually do most of my range practice with shorty ARs and shorty M14s, when my muzzle blasting starts echoing around the insides at our covered range, I am quite "noticeable".

For this reason I just mounted one of Joe Dlask's new LeVang ?Muzzle Brakes? ?Comps? on my shorty AR for a trial. Joe tells me he designed this brake specifically for the Ruger 10/22, but it is the standard AR 15 1/2" X 28 TPI, with a bore sized appropriately. So I removed my standard AR 15 bird cage flash hider, screwed the new ?comp? on my LMT 10.5", and shot off some .223, some 5.56 Green tips, and using my CMMG conversion kit, another 100 rds of .22LR ammo.

All of the groups stayed about the same size, and at about the same POI. Recoil and muzzle flip seemed the same. The good news was that muzzle blast to the sides was significantly diminished. With this muzzle accessory, most of the noise now goes out to the front.

So now, my neighbors at the range don't hate me quite as much as they used to.
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from the Dlask web site under 10/22 accessories ....

This Levang compensator was produced by DPMS and it was modified by us for use on 10/22 heavy barrels that have a thread at the muzzle 1/2”-28 tpi. This compensator will help direct the gases on a forward direction away from the shooter. The modifications are as follows: the outside diameter was reduced so it matches the diameter of the 10/22 heavy barrel (.920”). At the rear end of the compensator, two flats were machined in the body, that allow the use of a wrench for tightening. The overall length was reduced to 2”. The final product was bead-blasted and re-blued.
 
now, my neighbors at the range don't hate me quite as much as they used to.

Wanna make your range neighbor's like you even more? Try a 300 Whisper. Even with a short barrel, it is remarkably quiet yet it packs more punch than a .223 at shorter ranges. With my 10" Whisper I have shot full power ammo without hearing protection quite comfortably, which is not something you could do with a .223 caliber carbine.
 
Wanna make your range neighbor's like you even more? Try a 300 Whisper. Even with a short barrel, it is remarkably quiet yet it packs more punch than a .223 at shorter ranges. With my 10" Whisper I have shot full power ammo without hearing protection quite comfortably, which is not something you could do with a .223 caliber carbine.

If pre-rolled ammo was easily available then you`d have something worth playing with.


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Guys,
if you check my previous posts,
I was into .300 Whisper 3 years ago.
BTDT
And I am another confirmed .300 Whisper Kool Aid swiller, so you are preaching to the choir.
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I have to agree ...
in a shorty AR based on the 5.56 cartridge oal, the larger bored .300 Whisper makes way more practical sense than the miniscule .223 ....
that is if "sense" and "practicality" have anything to do with a conversation about shorty ARs here in Canada.

I just finished my play and learn with 6.8 SPC,
another good larger bore candidate for a shorty AR.

And now I am back to where I started .... AR 10s in .308 Win. .308 Win is a much more versatile cartridge ...
you can always load a BIG cartridge down, but you can't load a little caliber UP.

PS: Did ATS ever get in a supply of .300 Whisper barrels ....
I might like to build another .300 W,
even though I will always have at least one .223 AR 15 around,
if only to shoot cheap .22 LR out of it.
 
2 cents.
You have to decide what you want to do with it.
If it is something to get you out to the range to have fun and put a smile on your face.
Get whatever you can afford for a zombie gun. It is all about LCF (look cool factor) and spent casing making.

7 inch vs 10 inch - zombie fun gun 3 inches wont make a difference in performance

Realistically you wont be shooting past 100m with anything that short as accuracy is greatly affected. It will surely be a blast and lots of fun though. If you want to get into longer ranges, you can always have a longer upper and quick change them out.

Hope this helps.
PM me if you want more info - been shooting AR (C7 platform) for 22 years now
 
2 cents.
You have to decide what you want to do with it.
If it is something to get you out to the range to have fun and put a smile on your face.
Get whatever you can afford for a zombie gun. It is all about LCF (look cool factor) and spent casing making.

7 inch vs 10 inch - zombie fun gun 3 inches wont make a difference in performance

Realistically you wont be shooting past 100m with anything that short as accuracy is greatly affected. It will surely be a blast and lots of fun though. If you want to get into longer ranges, you can always have a longer upper and quick change them out.

Hope this helps.
PM me if you want more info - been shooting AR (C7 platform) for 22 years now


What he said-
7" is a toy, 10" is not much better. I have a 10" and its a big bark. But I also have longer uppers to swap so I can play at 10" or shoot out to 500m with a 20" standard length barrel.
 
Thanks dirt diver and ottawaguy. After reading through the thread, I opted to go with a RRA 10.5" AR pistol setup with the parts I want and getting a longer upper to swap out. True to everybody's word, it is helluva lot of fun shooting a shorty.
 
What he said-
7" is a toy, 10" is not much better. I have a 10" and its a big bark. But I also have longer uppers to swap so I can play at 10" or shoot out to 500m with a 20" standard length barrel.

Sorry but obviously you have not tried a PWS CQB comp or the ATRS version or even the Noveske pig krink style comps.

All of these comps make short barrels very tame as it send the concusion foreward. 10.5" seems to be the sweet spot for short barrels vs velocity loss.


M855 VELOCITY DATA

10.5" 2639 FPS ... 14.5" 2861 FPS
DIFFERENCE 222 FPS
DIFFERENCE/INCH 56 FPS
 
Friend was shooting 7.5" with vortex - no biggie. Wear ear muffs. We were shooting 7.5 before with just A2 before. I honestly do not know why there are so much complaint and sensitivity about blast.

It only becomes unpleasant when people put on those ridiculous muzzle brakes that direct blast sideways.
 
PS: Did ATS ever get in a supply of .300 Whisper barrels ....
I might like to build another .300 W,

1:8 barrels are on order. We have some 1:10 barrels in stock. Just depends how much you want to have the faster twist.

There is a finished barrel on my desk waiting to go out. We have 221 Fireball brass in stock and are waiting on 300-221 loading dies from Redding which should arrive any day now.

Ask and ye shall receive. ;)
 
.300 W barrels, brass, and dies ....
PRICES?????

Are the barrels using a pistol length gas system, or carbine length?
Chamber dimensions actual .300 W, or what?
[ my last barrels were 16" SS with .300 Fireball chambers from Oly Arms ]
and are the barrels SS or what?
Barrel lengths and contours available??
thanks,
enquiring minds need to know!

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.300 W barrels, brass, and dies ....
PRICES?????

Barrel price depends on the length. Anything over 11" is $475. Under that is $400.

New Rem 221 Fireball brass is $65/100. A bit pricey but that is what Remington is charging. If you have access to a lathe, we can provide a fitting for cutting down 223 Rem brass.

Are the barrels using a pistol length gas system, or carbine length?

These are full stainless custom barrels. Gas system can be whatever you want. Typically we run pistol length for subsonic cycling. We have adjustable gas blocks in standard .750" size and the large .936" size.

Chamber dimensions actual .300 W, or what?

300-221 chamber.

Barrel lengths and contours available??

These are custom barrels cut from straight taper blanks so you can have whatever length or profile you want.
 
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