Barrel Length Question

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I've been looking around online for a rifle, and I'm a bit confused on barrel length restrictions in Canada.

I read 18.5" is non restricted but if its manufactured less it is still non restricted. However, other places say anything under 18.5 regardless on how it was shortened, ie. manufactured, cut down, etc., is restricted.

So, with that said, is this restricted or non restricted? (I have both non and restricted licence, so doesn't really matter that much just would like to know for sure.)

http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/Categories/Hunting/Firearms/Rimfire-Rifles/715T-Flat-Top-22LR/p/28539

Thanks
 
Non restricted. Check out other retailers listings for classification, or go to the actual law and read. Criminal code in this case.

It's not just barrel length that determine classification. Cartridge, action type, overall length, handgun or not, proscribed or variant of proscribed,etc.

For the 715T
They don't call it a variant of a restricted.
Semi-auto rimfire long gun, therefore does not fall into the minimum 18.5/470 mm centerfire semi-auto rule.
Overall length over 660mm.
Barrel length from factory at 16.25/412mm - does not fall into the cut/altered to under 457mm from an existing long gun rule.
Not a handgun.
That all adds up to non-restricted in this case.
 
bruma said:
I've been looking around online for a rifle, and I'm a bit confused on barrel length restrictions in Canada.

I read 18.5" is non restricted but if its manufactured less it is still non restricted. However, other places say anything under 18.5 regardless on how it was shortened, ie. manufactured, cut down, etc., is restricted.

So, with that said, is this restricted or non restricted? (I have both non and restricted licence, so doesn't really matter that much just would like to know for sure.)

http://www.wholesalesports.com/stor...rms/Rimfire-Rifles/715T-Flat-Top-22LR/p/28539

Thanks
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a barrel can not be cut down past 18 inches for manual operated actions or 18.5 for semi autos , by anyone .

a person working under a manufacturers licence can manufacturer a new barrel shorter than 18 or 18.5 .
 
paintgunner said:
Really? You couldn't find anything about this?
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If you checked the link you would be as confused as our friend Bruma. The picture they have posted is most definitely not the product they are trying to sell.

To answer your question about barrel lengths:

Restricted firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
  2. a firearm that
    • is not a prohibited firearm,
    • has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
    • is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
  3. a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
  4. a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.
Prohibited firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that
    • has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
    • is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
  2. a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
  3. an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
  4. any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.

Anything that does not meet those criteria is classified as a non-restricted firearm. The Mossberg 715T is a variant of the Mossberg 702 Plinkster, which is a non-restricted rifle. As it does not fulfill any of the above definitions, it must be non-restricted.
 
Blastattack said:
Non-restricted.
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I couldn't remember , so I looked it up .......

it would be non prohibited .......



Prohibited firearms include:

  • Handguns

  • with a barrel length inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or;
  • that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition;
  • exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns[SUP][33][/SUP]

  • Rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting or any other means, so that:

  • the barrel length is inferior to 457 millimetres (18.0 in) (regardless of overall length), or;
  • the overall length is inferior to 660 millimetres (26 in)






that came from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada
 
burnt_servo said:
I couldn't remember , so I looked it up .......

it would be non prohibited .......



Prohibited firearms include:

  • Handguns

  • with a barrel length inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or;
  • that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition;
  • exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns[SUP][33][/SUP]

  • Rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting or any other means, so that:

  • the barrel length is inferior to 457 millimetres (18.0 in) (regardless of overall length), or;
  • the overall length is inferior to 660 millimetres (26 in)






that came from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada
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charles u farley said:
Previously anything non prohibited and non restricted was non restricted. Now anything non prohibited, non restricted or non restricted is non restricted.
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Well those were remarably clear. Let's try this again. There are basically four types of firearms addressed (or not adressed) in the criminal code. They are handguns, center-fire semi-automatic long arms, non-semiautomatic long-arms and rimfire long-arms. I will break down what classification each type (barring handguns) would be based on their barrel lengths and barring all other qualifications.

Criminal Code of Canada said:
Restricted firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
  2. a firearm that
    • is not a prohibited firearm,
    • has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
    • is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
  3. a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
  4. a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.
Prohibited firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that
    • has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
    • is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
  2. a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
  3. an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
  4. any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.
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Rimfire long-arm (non-handgun):
Factory barrel over 470mm = Non Restricted
Factory barrel greater than 457mm and less than 470mm: Non-Restricted
Factory barrel less than 457mm = Non Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to between 457mm and 470mm: Non Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to less than 457mm: Prohibited
Factory barrel less than 457mm CUT shorter AND an OAL greater than 660mm: Prohibited
Any modification where the firearm can fire at a length of less than 660mm: Prohibited

Centerfire Semi-Automatic long-arm (non-handgun):
Factory barrel over 470mm = Non Restricted
Factory barrel greater than 457mm and less than 470mm: Restricted
Factory barrel less than 457mm = Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to between 457mm and 470mm: Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to less than 457mm: Prohibited
Factory barrel less than 457mm CUT shorter AND an OAL greater than 660mm: Prohibited
Any modification where the firearm can fire at a length of less than 660mm: Prohibited

Non-Semi-Automatic long arm (non-handgun):
Factory barrel over 470mm = Non Restricted
Factory barrel greater than 457mm and less than 470mm: Non-Restricted
Factory barrel less than 457mm = Non-Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to between 457mm and 470mm: Restricted
Factory barrel CUT to less than 457mm: Prohibited
Factory barrel less than 457mm CUT shorter AND an OAL greater than 660mm: Prohibited
Any modification where the firearm can fire at a length of less than 660mm: Prohibited


I think That's everything covered. Anythign I missed?
 
Thanks for all the work that went into filtering,sorting and compiling that list.
Seeing them stacked up like that helps one understand a statement by
re-reading the one before or the statement after.

You could add one last disclaimer right at the bottom .

UNLESS any if them are black or scary looking .Then all bets are off.
 
Walther_PPK said:
Not if it's less than 660mm like he said. Handgun or not, any firearm under 660mm OAL is restricted.
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That is patently incorrect and simply not supported by the law. The Mare's leg rifle has both a barrel length less than 457mm and an OAL less than 660mm and is a Non-Restricted firearm.

Part 3 of the restricted definition reads: a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise

A firearm with a short fixed length stock installed by the factory does not meet the definition of a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise.
 
McCoy said:
It's a restricted shotgun.

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Why is it restricted? Does the RCMP consider it a handgun? Did it come from the Remington factory that way? Does the RCMP consider the addition of the pistol grip to fall under the category of a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise?

Being restricted or not is irrelevant, the reason behind it's restricted status, and how it got there, is crucially important.
 
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