Truth.
It is virtually impossible to "shoot out" a rimfire barrel. Rimfire barrels lose accuracy when they become overly leaded or when they are cleaned aggressively and overly frequently and/or incorrectly.
barrel rifling in anschutz 64 rifle
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Truth.
It is virtually impossible to "shoot out" a rimfire barrel. Rimfire barrels lose accuracy when they become overly leaded or when they are cleaned aggressively and overly frequently and/or incorrectly.
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- Western Manitoba
There is "cleaning" and then there is "not cleaning" - is several single shot boys rifles here - .22 Long Rifle - bores are horrible - rust pits, scratches, etc. - likely still "good enough" to kill a gopher at 10 yards, so "must be okay". The rifles are Savage Favourite Model 1915 and Deutsche Werke Model 1. I suspect there are readers from both the "good enough for farm boy" and the "bench rest" groups - is MUCH different needs and expectations - I suspect many that suggest that .22 Long Rifle bore do not need cleaning, actually do not know how, or perhaps have never bothered to get the stuff needed to do it correctly. And I am coming from using a length of hem of cotton something pulled through a Cooey 60 bore with a length of fishing line (53 (?) years ago). I do not do that very often, any more.
Just to clear up any misconceptions about my saying that 22 rimfire rifles don't need to be cleaned near as often as people think and loads of people don't know how to properly clean their rifle.
I have an Aschutz 64M and a Valmet ISU target rifle. The Anschutz is pretty accurate and the Valmet is boringly accurate. I also have custom rod guides for both, a coated Dewey rod and a cleaning cradle.
So, yeah, I know how to clean a rifle properly and have the equipment to do so.
well I took my rifle to a friend's place today. used his borescope . he had some lead remover. put that in and let it soak in there wow what a difference we can see the rifle lands. now I would like to use some jb bore paste in the barrel. is there an alternative to the jb product?
I have never read that about waiting until 3000 rounds. That does not sound right, so a source of that info would be welcome if you can post that, thanks.
On the Anschutz website they have a page about cleaning, link here (two languages, German and English, look top right for the button for language version):
https://www.anschuetz-sport.com/en/wie-reinige-ich-mein-gewehr/
The first sentence says: "In order to ensure consistent precision over the long term, it is essential to clean the rifle regularly after shooting".
It also has warnings about leaving solvents in the barrel for too long. However the article lacks specifics. It does not have enough information for a thorough barrel cleaning system IMO.
The Anschutz USA website has a page on cleaning bolts and magazines, but I could not find any article there for barrel cleaning, link:
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/maintenance-tips.html
RE ammo: Those brands you listed are not target quality for consistency, except for maybe CCI Standard Velocity in some rifles. My European rimfires (Anschutz and CZ) don't seem to like North American rimfire ammo, so I rejected CCI a long time ago for target grade, and only use it for plinking. I think you will find your Anschutz will like the European ammo brands SK, Lapua, Eley, RWS. I have not tried the Norma Match grade ammo yet. I shot one box of Norma Tac and it was OK, but with the wind variables that day I cannot say if the Anschutz likes it or not. I doubt you will find any supersonic ammo to shoot consistently accurately. All the target grade ammo I am aware of is subsonic.
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- Nova Scotia
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If quality ammo isn't used no one can know how his rifle shoots. Small sample sizes of random lots of various ammos are virtually meaningless.
As long as the OP is shooting lubricated ammo (including copper washed HV), it remains very unlikely that a rifle with under 1000 rounds of ammo has any significant amount of lead in the bore -- unless there's something wrong with the bore or leade that causes lead to be stripped from the bullet.
A problem with borescopes and inexperience is misunderstanding what the borescope shows. Post some pictures of what the borescope shows in the bore of your rifle.
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- Nova Scotia
But it's an idea of a gun shooting normal ammo, with similar round count. I shoot in a div that we limit ammo costs. I will never shoot center x or midas. If a guy is shooting stinger ammo, he probably not intrested in paying 20-30$ a box of 22.
For the past year I have been overhauling Anny 64’s.
I think just over 10 rifles so far and still going.
By overhauling I mean complete stripping down and cleaning. Replacing missing parts and firing pins with the new Anschutz firing pin kit.
What I have noticed so far is that on the 64 series rifles the rifling is not overly pronounced when looking through a boar scope. What was a surprise were the chatter marks left in the barrel from manufacturing.
Not everyone but most have tool marks that are easily visible with the scope.
These rifles are a clubs rifles and are used quit frequently (every weekend) and properly maintained cleaned regularly.
Other noticeable features seen on these older rifles is the carbon ring at the end of the chamber, and carbon marks through the ¾ of the barrel and on the crown.
Almost everyone had the rear action screw hole in the stock is cracked by the wood drying out of the years.
Light polishing of the barrel improves the look of the rifle lands after a final cleaning.
As has been mentioned, rifling in a .22 rimfire is not that pronounced to begin with. SAAMI specs are .005" on the diameter, so that's .0025" on each side of the bore. A human hair is .003", on average.
A borescope is a great tool to see what's going on in a barrel, but you need to put a perspective on what you're seeing. Molehills really do look like mountains if you get close enough.
As for cleaning, I think you'll find that top level shooters clean their rifles regularly, contrary to popular belief.
The whole clean-when-accuracy-falls-off thing is highly overrated, in my belief. Like changing oil only when the engine starts to knock. Really?
Infrequent cleaning probably won't hurt anything long term, but it can be a bear when you DO need to clean it. I'd sooner clean regularly and never get to that point.
A borescope is a great tool to see what's going on in a barrel, but you need to put a perspective on what you're seeing. Molehills really do look like mountains if you get close enough.
As for cleaning, I think you'll find that top level shooters clean their rifles regularly, contrary to popular belief.
The whole clean-when-accuracy-falls-off thing is highly overrated, in my belief. Like changing oil only when the engine starts to knock. Really?
Infrequent cleaning probably won't hurt anything long term, but it can be a bear when you DO need to clean it. I'd sooner clean regularly and never get to that point.
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FYI . I have always cleaned from the breach . I have a coated cleaning rod. I was told many years ago that cleaning from the bore end can damage the crown . and once the brush leaves the end of the bore I unscrew it and start over again from the breach . correct me if I'm wrong gentlemen . I have heard of 22 rifles that the barrels were so full of lead it was near impossible to get them clean . don't ask me where but I read that one time . I hope your rifle shoots much better for you.
Hi rar
Yes lead buildup would make it seem like there is very little rifling. For cleaning I have had great success with Bore Tech Rimfire Blend, Pro Shot Patch's, Bore Tech Proof Positive Jag and Bore Tech Nylon brush's. Yes it is normal for a barrel with 700 rounds down the pipe to look that way. Also different manufactures use different rifling " button, cut etc.'' so they will look somewhat different. Do not get obsessed with using your bore scope when cleaning your barrel, main thing to look for is carbon ring build up after that many rounds, for that I use Bore Tech Carbon Remover . I shoot a Anschutz 1712 rarely do I shoot more than 200 rounds and my accuracy drops off. ''SK Match, SK Long Range, Midas +, RWS Target'' Then total clean.
Yes lead buildup would make it seem like there is very little rifling. For cleaning I have had great success with Bore Tech Rimfire Blend, Pro Shot Patch's, Bore Tech Proof Positive Jag and Bore Tech Nylon brush's. Yes it is normal for a barrel with 700 rounds down the pipe to look that way. Also different manufactures use different rifling " button, cut etc.'' so they will look somewhat different. Do not get obsessed with using your bore scope when cleaning your barrel, main thing to look for is carbon ring build up after that many rounds, for that I use Bore Tech Carbon Remover . I shoot a Anschutz 1712 rarely do I shoot more than 200 rounds and my accuracy drops off. ''SK Match, SK Long Range, Midas +, RWS Target'' Then total clean.
