Battle Comp 1.0 vs. YHM 5C2 vs. PWS FSC 556

A spirited discussion on flash hiders has the same practical application as debating the various pros and cons of 'wet' vs 'dry' silencers...
Just because one does not require 'the best' whatever...it doesn't stop one from wishing to acquire it.....
Or debating the issues surrounding them on internet forums...just like this one....

Bolivar said:
Spirit

Good video, nice to see some direct comparison. I'm an AR newbie and trying to wade through the different options for a muzzle device to aid in CQB shooting.

One question I gotta ask all is why the fuss about flash hiding? As a civilian shooting of a restricted rifle, I can't see when I am going to be shooting in low light conditions so the flash should no be an issue. Hell, one of my deer rifles is a 20 inch 308 with nothing on the end of the barrel. Muzzle flash has never been a consideration.

Am I missing something here?
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rivetc78 said:
?????????????

Watching those videos, looks like to me the Comp that gives the MOST Recoil Reduction IS the YHM Phantom. It is plain as day
The guy testing even says :
# The A2 seemed to have a harsher recoil impulse than when it had no muzzle device at all.
# The YHM made a noticeable difference in felt muzzle rise verses the A2. Reviewing the video confirms that I shot much flatter with it.




It is not cool to spend $30.

Everything bolted onto your Rifle has to be at least a $100 or you are not a true Operator :rolleyes:
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The model they are using is not the 5C2. Do you really believe the A2 flash hider ISN'T going to be beat by virtually anything in terms of recoil reduction?

This is the Phantom 5C2, right off of YHM's website
YHM-28-5C2.jpg

Even by design, you can tell it is not a muzzle brake. It is open ended, exactly like a proper flash hider.

THIS is a muzzle brake. See how it is closed at the end to force gases in a radial direction (i.e. not FORWARDS).
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I have the 5C2 AND the 5M1. I've even used the 5C2 on an M14, and believe me when I say they are worlds apart. I even recently retested the Phantom 5M1 vs. the Smith Enterprises brake, and while the 5M1 does better at flash hiding, the SEI brake reduces the recoil a little better (nice fireballs though!). There is a difference between a muzzle brake and a compensator. The PWS556, by design, will not reduce muzzle rise. The only reason an AR-15 rises at the muzzle is due to body mechanics, as the rifle recoils STRAIGHT BACK every shot.

One question I gotta ask all is why the fuss about flash hiding? As a civilian shooting of a restricted rifle, I can't see when I am going to be shooting in low light conditions so the flash should no be an issue. Hell, one of my deer rifles is a 20 inch 308 with nothing on the end of the barrel. Muzzle flash has never been a consideration.
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Have you ever shot .308 out of a 16" barrel? Or seen 10.5"/11.5" AR-15's? Both have big muzzle blast, and very bright flashes at the muzzle. The flash will actually obscure the target. If you do any competition shooting that does some low light stuff, you'll also want to keep flash down so you don't flare out your eyes.

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rivetc78 said:
?????????????

Watching those videos, looks like to me the Comp that gives the MOST Recoil Reduction IS the YHM Phantom. It is plain as day
The guy testing even says :
# The A2 seemed to have a harsher recoil impulse than when it had no muzzle device at all.
# The YHM made a noticeable difference in felt muzzle rise verses the A2. Reviewing the video confirms that I shot much flatter with it.




It is not cool to spend $30.

Everything bolted onto your Rifle has to be at least a $100 or you are not a true Operator :rolleyes:
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I have the Dlask brake and the YHM brake. I haven't tried them on the same rifle but someone who knows a lot about CQB shooting tried them both on an M4. He said the YHM is about 40% as good a brake as the Dlask. This was pertaining to muzzle rise and follow up shots. I bought my YHM from Fabsports and would have bought my Dlask there as well if they had it. Fabsports did get the Dlask brake in about a week after I bought mine but it was sold out very fast. I am sure Fabrice will be getting more in. They have the one for the VZ 58/CZ 858 in right now.
 
CarbineOne said:
Have you ever shot .308 out of a 16" barrel? Or seen 10.5"/11.5" AR-15's? Both have big muzzle blast, and very bright flashes at the muzzle. The flash will actually obscure the target. If you do any competition shooting that does some low light stuff, you'll also want to keep flash down so you don't flare out your eyes.
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Okay, cool. I'm just shooting my Norc M4 in daylight conditions so flash hiding is not a big issue for me right now. That may change someday, who knows.

For now my muzzle device focus will be on reducing muzzle rise (to compensate for my sh*tty mechanics) without deafening myself or the next shooting and safety office beside me.

Any breaks out there that accomplish this?
 
Are you not watching the videos? There is more shoulder movement and muzzle blast with the FC556 than with the YHM.

Sorry buddy, I see 5 videos and a test that show no barrel movement with a $30 YHM muzzle device.

I will pass on your little Rant, you have nothing to back it up. You make up whatever you want to believe.
 
rivetc78 said:
Are you not watching the videos? There is more shoulder movement and muzzle blast with the FC556 than with the YHM.

Sorry buddy, I see 5 videos and a test that show no barrel movement with a $30 YHM muzzle device.

I will pass on your little Rant, you have nothing to back it up. You make up whatever you want to believe.
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Rant? If that's what you want to call it. I don't appreciate you saying I am making up whatever I want to believe. It's ok though, I am hardened from all the crap thrown at people on this site. I still get a lot of good information here. If you want to get it right from the horse's mouth inbox Pobcat. He is a poster here who won the CQB championships at Borden this year. He tested both brakes. And I am not just taking advice from a cyber guy I never met. I met him SOing the CQB match I shot in Borden this year.
 
rivetc78 said:
Are you not watching the videos? There is more shoulder movement and muzzle blast with the FC556 than with the YHM.

Sorry buddy, I see 5 videos and a test that show no barrel movement with a $30 YHM muzzle device.

I will pass on your little Rant, you have nothing to back it up. You make up whatever you want to believe.
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I can make you a video if you'd like.


EDIT: Actually, I'll do you one better. I'll mount a camera on my gun so you can see the performance in first person.
 
I have to agree with Cbabes on this one. Both my friend and I have Norc M4's...he has the YHM brake and i have the PWS (dlask copy) brake. We used different ammo both using the same projectile the only difference being the powder charge. Mine had 26 grains of 748 and his had 24.5 grains of 748. Even with a higher velocity and muzzle blast the "PWS" brake worked better in both of our opinions......either way they are both great muzzle devices, choose whichever one you think looks better :p
 
Clobbersauras said:
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Give me a week to do the filming and cutting ;)

I'll probably do it on my 11.5" AR to emphasize recoil and blast, with likely entrants to include:
A2
Phantom 5C2
Phantom 5M1
SEI AR-15
AR-15 Cav Comp
Dlask FSC556 clone

And of course the bare muzzle in order to provide a control.

Unfortunately, I don't have any SureFire brakes... or a KAC TT (yet...)
 
Good videos!

I'll be measuring effective recoil and muzzle rise... Some comps push the muzzle down, and on a rest it can 'hide' some of the recoil.
 
I'm really curious to see your result CarbineOne!!! Thank You! I'm curently looking for a Muzzle Brake solution and your test will be helpful!!!

:)
 
Flaming Pig Baby!

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In my mind for the shorty AR15 platform this works the best although if I had enough cash I would order a Smith Enterprise AR15 muzzle brake from down south, as it's the only 1 I have ever used that made this platform feel like I was shooting a 10/22.
 
Bolivar said:
Flaming Pig

I don't know, seems to cause the gun to move left and right across the target.

It also seems to prevent the rifle from locking back on an empty mag, which really slows down reloads. :D :stirthepot2:
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:D
OMG!
Thanks for the laugh!
(*Beta mag's don't keep the chamber open on the last round & when fanning multiple target's on a level plaining field most times you will need to move right to left or vise a versa unless you star in the movie WANTED were your mind can bend the bullets*)
 
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