Battle of Stalingrad
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the battle for russia was lost on the tank field.. or even the factories.
While the tiger and panther tanks are superiour to that of the t34 (is2s were rare, and KVS1s had faults) they took along time to manufacture compared to how lightning quick t34s were.
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oh and stalingrad was a great movie for sure. Anyone remember the tank scene near the end of the movie?
While the tiger and panther tanks are superiour to that of the t34 (is2s were rare, and KVS1s had faults) they took along time to manufacture compared to how lightning quick t34s were.
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oh and stalingrad was a great movie for sure. Anyone remember the tank scene near the end of the movie?
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You mean the one I posted a link for just one page ago?
Canuck I Am said:
whoops must have missed that!
That part and when the german killed his friend with the mp40 accidentally were the parts that stuck with me.
and the running and throwing grenades..
that movie really is a great war movie.
did that one guy get squished by the tank?
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Pretty much so. But some Commies got burned alive so it's all fair.
Would hate to be the guy blown in half though.
Would hate to be the guy blown in half though.
Andy said:Well you Gunnutz are 3 for 3 so far ("A Rifleman goes to War", "The Emma Gees", and "The Guns of August"), so as a result of this banter I have just ordered three more books from Amazon to keep me occupied:
I trust that this Antony Beevor is all he's all cracked up to be. I just hope he doesn't keep me away from the Exchange Forum too much.
- Stalingrad The Fateful Siege 1942 To 1943;
- Paris After The Liberation 1944-1949; and
- Fall Of Berlin 1945
Avoid the bold book it is ####.
Calum said:That will teach them not to make a move on Russia again...methinks Hitler should have reviewed what Napoleon's Army went through not long before.
Hitler invaded June 22 and Napoleon June 24. Oh, the Irony! I have read accounts from both invasions, and the parallels are quite striking. The Russians used a lot of the same tactics in both wars (scortched earth for example)
here is the last tank scene from the movie:
youtube.com/watch?v=9fWI0uTj9rM
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f_soldaten04 said:
Yah, the exact same link I posted on page 4.
Didn't Hitlers generals kind of warn him about invading Russia with the year already half over? I mean they must've known that winter was gonna hit and hit hard so it was a rush to capture and take out major cities and fortifications. Considering that Hitler thought of himself as one of the great commanders of all time one would think he'd have looked at Napoleons mistakes.
And then there's that fat, useless #### Goering.
Canuck I Am said:
I don't know how much you know of the French invasion of Russia, but here is something that the majority of people don't know.
On June 23/24 510000 French and satellite soldiers cross into Russia
By August 17 the French forces numbered about 160000 Only about 10000 were combat loses the rest were due to dehydration during the unsually hot summer.
By borodino September 7th or August 26th depending whose calender you use. The french had about 95000 men left. Borodino is considered the bloodiest day in human history. No single battle has had as many casualties. The drop from 160000 to 95000 includes 28000 lost in the battle. The rest were due to dehydration because of the unusually hot summer.
After borodino the french loses stayed realatively light untill the road block battles in November which brought their numbers down to about 50000.
Then in late November Napoleon ordered the boats burned becuase the rivers would now be well frozen. An unseasonable thaw caused the Berezina to turn into a mush. Unable to cross the river the Russians sat there and shelled the French untill it was possible to cross the river on foot by walking across the bodies.
Only 1000 effective combatants and a few straglers crossed back into french territory on December 14th.
So as you can see the french died from the unbearable russian summer heat, and the cold was insignificant.
yes, Goering is fat. Had the Germans had a heavy bomber, things might have been a lot different. There was some German general, or designer, who wanted a heavy bomber, but he died. Cant seem to recall his name??? Idiotic designs like the Bf110 were utterly useless, and a waste of material(except as a night fighter).
I think the problem was a lack of concentration of forces. It would have been better if the Germans concentrated fully on Moscow and Leningrad, the latter being an important port in the Baltic, and the former having a modern very modern infrastructure, and being the sort of stepping stone for further incursions. All in all, however, Germany was not prepared for total war. Even if Moscow and Leningrad were taken, I still believe Russian manufacturing capability would have undermined the German war effort. Ofcourse by this time the Germans had also lost air superiority in the west in any case, which would be critical for defence against a Western invasion. It was impossible to beat back both Russia and the United States, simply on a basis of the manufacturing of arms.
Had the Germans had a heavy bomber, things might have been a lot different. There was some German general, or designer, who wanted a heavy bomber, but he died. Cant seem to recall his name??? Idiotic designs like the Bf110 were utterly useless, and a waste of material(except as a night fighter). I think the problem was a lack of concentration of forces. It would have been better if the Germans concentrated fully on Moscow and Leningrad, the latter being an important port in the Baltic, and the former having a modern very modern infrastructure, and being the sort of stepping stone for further incursions. All in all, however, Germany was not prepared for total war. Even if Moscow and Leningrad were taken, I still believe Russian manufacturing capability would have undermined the German war effort. Ofcourse by this time the Germans had also lost air superiority in the west in any case, which would be critical for defence against a Western invasion. It was impossible to beat back both Russia and the United States, simply on a basis of the manufacturing of arms.
Skippy said:
The original operation called for Army Group Center to drive straight to Moscow and capture it. Stalingrad was initially supposed to be surrounded and bypassed. Hitler made some very very poor decisions that resulted in AGC losing its momentum(like ordered them to stop! and then took away thier armour. etc etc etc.). Barbarossa got F-ed by so many factors, some unexpected, but most were through some interference by Adolf...
