Battle of the oddball 223

Which rifle would you prefer to own?


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Im bored and I havnt created a poll in along time so I thought I would kill some time with this one. Which of these 3 would you prefer to own and why? Please keep the I would never own any of these rifles or the go and get a tavor, xcr, or ar15 comments somewhere else. Post which one of the three is the best and why in your opinion.
 
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I've owned both the MR1 and the SU16.

I will say those 2 are so different in price alone that I wouldn't be able to objectively give a proper review without first asking if cost is a factor in this at all.

Also, AR-180 is rare enough that I have yet to be able to ever handle and shoot one.
 
I've owned both the MR1 and the SU16.

I will say those 2 are so different in price alone that I wouldn't be able to objectively give a proper review without first asking if cost is a factor in this at all.

Money isn't a issue. Im just looking for quality, accuracy, ergonomics, availability of parts, personal preference and coolness. You know all the important stuff. :) Then again you can factor in the money cost of said rifle versus quality of the rifle as well in your opinion. Is paying approximately 900$ for a SU16 better then paying 1800$ for a MR1? I just would like so see some debate.
 
Probably the AR180B for a couple of reasons:

1) probably the most similar to everything else I use...or should I say...operate
2) people did at least get the 180b running for long enough to establish a bit of a track record. Kind of screwy but they seem to work OK, as long as you avoid the particular fragilities for which they were known.
3) the Benelli is a bit of an abortion with really strange control layout and I don't really think I'm interested in putting in the time to work around its clunkiness.
4) the Keltec.


So I'd probably go 180B. I guess I'd consider the MR1 if I developed a small brain tumour that disrupted my medial orbitofrontal cortex; if for some reason I couldn't process its ugliness I might be willing to put the effort in to compensate for its issues.

And, of course, the Keltec, so yeah...put me down for the 180B.
 
I own all 3, and while I bought my SU-16's variously at $600 and $800, I purchased the AR-180B and the Benelli MR-1 at about $1,350 apiece.


There's something to love about each of these three designs, from the AR-180B's "fire-controls" to the MR-1's ridiculously stable weight and clean take-down, to the SU-16's neat "fold-ability".


And yes, all 3 are rather easily "scoped".
 
The Masterpiece Arms MPAR 556 is essentially an AR180, and should be in country below $1100-$1200. Though that is about a year (or more) before that will happen.
 
Having never handled a 180B, and having owned both an SU-16 and MR1 I'd say go MR1 for quality, accuracy and stone cold reliability. They are nice tight rifles that shoot very soft and never jam with good mags. We all know about AR mags so we can't chalk them up to a rifle's performance when all 3 choices use them. The SU is a couple pounds lighter and has a little more aftermarket support but has too much plastic for me. The fit and finish is nothing like the MR1. The reliability is usually quite good though.
 
None of the above. No parts for the AR-180, the SU-16 just doesn't appeal to me, and the MR-1 is a great rifle but just sooooo ugly... If I had to choose I would go with the Su-16 because it isn't ridiculously overpriced and can be upgraded.

I like my T97 and will stick with that.
 
None of the above. No parts for the AR-180, the SU-16 just doesn't appeal to me, and the MR-1 is a great rifle but just sooooo ugly... If I had to choose I would go with the Su-16 because it isn't ridiculously overpriced and can be upgraded.

I like my T97 and will stick with that.


t97 makes a lot of sense, well priced, well made (especially for the price), accurate, and reliable.
only down side is the safety is hard to get used to, but the mag release doesn't bother me at all
 
MR1 is heavy as a tank, has a difficult mag release and optic mounting gives you a super high cheek rest UNLESS you remove the rear irons. That being said, its piston system is the largest and most overbuilt for a .223 rifle I've ever seen and I'm willing to bet you would be able to shoot countless thousands of rounds before even thinking of needing to clean it. Reliability is the tradeoff for its weight regarding the piston system they use. Its a benelli, so it has the somewhat questionable esthetics of the italians having to put strange, sleek curves on everything. The MR1 does shoot extremely well however. The controls and ergo's of the MR1 are different enough that I would recommend you pick one up and shoulder it, if not fire it before buying. It shoulders fast, the stock setup is just like their shotguns, it is designed to be shouldered quickly like a shotgun. Whether you find that advantageous is personal preference, it feels however, quite different than typical straight stocked AR type platforms. Also to note, there are about 0 aftermarket accessories for an MR1 except the tri-rail, which I did manage to get ahold of and mount although finding them can be difficult.

The SU16 is light as a feather, has AR style controls and ergo's and can fold. I got rid of the folding option and put the AR style stock on it. The foldout bipod was flimsy and ridiculous imo and jsut a novelty. Fit and finish on an SU16 is what you pay for....crappy. Just folding out the bipod a few times will take the finish off the barrel, and the rest is polymer which makes it feel like a glorified nerf gun. The piston system is reliable, it feeds fine, its not a magical supersystem like the MR1 but it works. They shoot decent, nothing to write home about, but I don't think anyone bought an su16 for precision rifle shooting. One thing to note, is if you want the SU16 to somewhat look and feel liek a rifle, your adding hudnreds of dollars for the quad raile forend and the AR stock adapter. This makes it price skyrocket way above its original $900 to the neighborhood of 1200-$1300. Now you're only saving a few hundred for AR ergos but much ####tier fit and finish.

Between the 2, the MR1 is hands down better built overall, but its just that much different that its hard to compare without having you actually try one first. Its not an AR style rifle at all. THe SU16 is an ar style rifle after adding a bunch of stuff but its so much cheaper in build quality that it's almost like going from tier 1 fit and finish to tier 4 just for AR ergo's.

To be fair I've owned these 2 and no longer own either for various reasons. Neither stood out as a long term keeper to me and I moved on.

Lastly, how is the AR-180 even an option? where are you guys finding these readily available at a moments notice to put it in this group? I see maybe one on the EE every 6-12 months and its being sold at 50% more than new because they are so rare. In this price range I wouldn't hesitate to throw the T97 in there, I've held one and they are actually very well built and well worth $1000 for a non-restricted in my opinion.
 
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I voted AR180-B. I still regret selling mine.
Great rifle, accurate enough as long as you don't have unrealistic expectations and think it should shoot moa. Mine was 100% reliable with all ammo I tried and the best thing was that it was extremely light and easy to pack around.
As for the weaknesses, the only one I know of is breaking the lower at the hinge pin but if you break it there you are an idiot who is abusing your rifle. The only way it would fail is if you open the rifle and let the upper swing down and slam against the lower.

In my opinion the 180-B is the only one on the list worth considering.
 
None of the above. No parts for the AR-180, the SU-16 just doesn't appeal to me, and the MR-1 is a great rifle but just sooooo ugly... If I had to choose I would go with the Su-16 because it isn't ridiculously overpriced and can be upgraded.

I like my T97 and will stick with that.

Armalite still has parts for the 180. Wolverine actually carries quite a few on their website.
 
Armalite still has parts for the 180. Wolverine actually carries quite a few on their website.

I wasn't aware of that. If the OP were to get one, I would recommend getting all of the parts he/she can get their hands on. Unfortunately these rifles are still WAAAAAY overpriced, even if they were brand new.
 
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