Battledyne 10/22 Mag Issue

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I received mine a few days ago, but have not had a chance to go to the range yet with mine.
What I can say is they do look great, have a lot of side to side wobble and a little front to back play, this was compared to a couple Butler Creek steel lips which fit almost as good as my factory ten rounders, which are perfect.
I just hope they work out alright.
 
looks great, lots of play, lots of jams. Tried federal, cci in SR22

I think the problem in the sr22 is the play throwing the feed lips out of line, if I hold mag putting pressure on right side, rounds feed properly.
 
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I did not try the first generation magazines due to the issues they were having. I did just receive three of the new generation, and I am disappointed to say the least. Three magazines, three different brands of ammunition and all with the same problem.

I cannot shoot off more than three consecutive rounds without a FTF. This is in an SR22.
 
tulsah said:
I did not try the first generation magazines due to the issues they were having. I did just receive three of the new generation, and I am disappointed to say the least. Three magazines, three different brands of ammunition and all with the same problem.

I cannot shoot off more than three consecutive rounds without a FTF. This is in an SR22.
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What ammo?
What was the issue?
 
Just wondering if your guns shoots all ammo out of the factory 10 round mag? If so, why are you guys putting up with these mags if they are so picky? Wouldn't function over looks be more practical?
I have two bx25x2 and they work just like there little bros!
 
little_airwolf said:
Just wondering if your guns shoots all ammo out of the factory 10 round mag? If so, why are you guys putting up with these mags if they are so picky? Wouldn't function over looks be more practical?
I have two bx25x2 and they work just like there little bros!
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To answer from my standpoint: :)

a. Yes my factory mags shoot all ammo flawlessly (except for those truncated cone rounds).
b. Yes, function over looks would be more practical. BUT for me (and imagine some others) my intent was to replicate an AR-15 out of a non-restricted platform with affordable ammo. I like the idea of replicating a battle rifle with battle rifle-like mags (at least to the extent that you can with 22LR).
c. I'm truly glad that the bx25x2's work so well, but esthetically I find them to be franken-mags (same thing with 2 butler creeks together) that kinda ruin the experience for me.

To each his own; and for some of us that means mags that look the part. That's all.
 
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I got 3 of these from the second run from HiCal, after hearing bad reviews and problems etc. I pulled out a stock 10rd rotary and my calipers. The battledyne mag lips were slightly off, in about the center of the lips where the first "step" in the higher lip is located, i slightly filed the Battledyne lips to match the Ruger mag lips within about a hundredth. they function very well. I have only put 20rds in them so far for "break in", so i cannot attest for the 25rnd capacity working yet. I have put roughly 100 rounds through each of my mags. I had a few FTE AND FTFeed's right at the start with "Full" (20rnds) mags: rounds not feeding out and being popped vertically, and slammed by bolt. After about 3 full mags through each, i was down to about 1 FTE or FTFeed per mag. ** Sorry if my terminaligy isnt the best, newbie here, thanks.

Also this may affect how my rounds feed but i have installed, a KIDD extended bolt handle and am using the KIDD guide rod and standard velocity KIDD spring
 
RadMan said:
I've had both the original batch as well as the ones with the new feed lips. I've found the "new lips version" still has a tendency of the bullet catching the bottom edge of the chamber. I've tried these on 3 different 10/22s, same issue. The bullet will either outright jam on that bottom edge (FTF) or feed with a little sliver off the lead (every round).

I'm still doing testing on the new ones (breaking in) before deciding what to keep and return, but only because I want to probably keep a couple for esthetic purposes IF I can break those in to be relatively reliable with a little "tinkering". The rest are going to be returned soon.

I'd summarize my experience like this (for both old and new batch):

- Very esthetically pleasing magazine
- Will NOT feed reliably with target barrels (40% FTF rate)
- Will NOT feed reliably with waxed ammo (15-25% FTF rate on sporter barrel)
- Best ammo to use is Federal Auto-Match. (average 1-3 FTF per 25 round loading depending on the mag) Every other ammo gave me noticeably more problems. I think this has to do with no wax and bullet shape.
- Newer feed-lip design is only somewhat more reliable for feeding. Still slivers every round going into the chamber
- Downloading the mags to 20 rounds may help with newer batch
- While the newer lips are very much close to the Ruger factory lips, the round doesn't quite feed into the chamber the same way. The Ruger mag pops the round up slightly before feeding, lining the round up with the chamber and not skimming the edge of the chamber. The Battledyne rubs the bullet of the round against the bottom edge of of the chamber for a short while. Every so often that lead catches and jams the feed, and either way slivers the lead.
- Some of the mags become more reliable if forward pressure is applied to the bottom of the mag (effectively rotating the feed lips up slightly)
- Some of the mags occasionally jam on the top edge of the chamber if forward pressure is applied to the bottom of the mag

Sorry to say my experience with both the older and newer batch have not been great. A lot of effort and rounds trying to make them work. In the end though these will have to be show mags and I'll have to stick with my butler creeks for reliability.

All that being said I am but one data point and I certainly feel the new version is an improvement on the older.While they don't solve the problems they will mean less people having them.

My 5 cents.
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This is 100% my experience with 3 of the 5 mags I purchased on the new batch Pre-order from HiCal over the holidays, found out just a couple days ago... the 4th and 5th mag have not been fired cause I am just too frustrated, I took the bottoms off and dumped the ammo out rather than attempt to fire them. This was with Fed Bulk Pack, which IMO should be expected to function, but does NOT

It was Failure to Feed, Failure to Eject, Stovepipe, or feed lip/bolt contact on EVERY shot! I am going to contact HiCal and get my$220 back... I don't care how good they look, they are absolute rubbish if the wont feed... Period.


RadMan said:
I've got 7 mags, 4 older and 3 newer. All exhibit the same problem. I've done testing across across 4 different rifles with 3 different styles of barrel. A Green Mountain target barrel, 1 older 18" factory barrel and 2 new 16" factory compact barrels. All exhibit the same problem (though to varying degrees).

I can only conclude:

a. That I've put these through enough rifles of different style and eras that I feel I can safely eliminate the "the rifle is the problem" argument.
b. I've put enough of these mags of different generations through testing to eliminate the "you've got a defective mag" argument.
c. That because of the 2 points above, there is something in the design of these mags that makes them prone to problems.

What I don't get is how so many customers are not reporting problems, with the assumption being that their mags are working fine with so many of their rifles.
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Exactly! it is such BS! I can't even IMAGINE these working for anyone in any gun... My only conclusion is that people buying them are Internet heros and never shoot their .22's thus very few range reports, they assume they work because they look great and want them to work, as did I. But they don't. At all.

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The above posts sum up all of the same issues I've had with 3 new magazines - FTE, FTF, stovepipe, misalignment with chamber, ... I've used Federal Champion, CCI Blazer and Cyclone (Remington, I think) ammo with the same result. I have no issues whatsoever with the factory 10 round magazine or steel lipps and the same ammo. Very disappointed ...
 
thanks fellas, I was about to order 1 just to see if it would work, and now, I'm not even going to bother with that. Not when they are 2x the price of the BC.
 
Strungout said:
I got 3 of these from the second run from HiCal, after hearing bad reviews and problems etc. I pulled out a stock 10rd rotary and my calipers. The battledyne mag lips were slightly off, in about the center of the lips where the first "step" in the higher lip is located, i slightly filed the Battledyne lips to match the Ruger mag lips within about a hundredth. they function very well.
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Could you supply some detailed photos highlighting the locations you filed? (in about the center of the lips where the first "step" in the higher lip is located)
 
Hey guys, I ordered 3 of these mags for my 10/22 and they arrived last week, so I decided to test them this weekend... I was very skeptical after hearing all the issues people were having so I only took one magazine out of the packaging because I figured I would be returning them. So I did not have high hopes for them at all, I didn't buy them for their tactical looks (10/22 carbine looks fine with a banana mag) that functions better then a butler creek (but can be opened up for cleaning like the hc3r... and so on). Anyways, after I ran about ~150 rounds through the first mag without any major issues I opened up the others to test them and see if they worked just as good (they did). In total i went through 600 rounds, with a mix of 40 gr RN (CCI Mini-mags and CCI-Blazer) and some CCI 36 gr HP. The HP caused some awful FTF (~2-3/mag) and the CCI-Blazer had a few FTE, causing a jam but the 40 gr mini-mags were awesome with no issues and giving no real aggravations like described above. Only things I don't really like is how loose they fit into my magwell (a lot of play) and the feed lips metal casting is all rounded compared to the sharp crisp lines of the BX-10, BC 25 or HC3Rs

Longstory short, I won't be looking to return these mags, they functioned better then my steel lipped BC mags and almost on par with HC3R. It's a shame so many on here are having issues!
 
sorry for the late reply, I will take some pics and highlight areas in which I rounded and filed flat, I have run another 500 rounds through my 3 mags since I first posted and have had maybe 10 FTE's and about the same failure to feed, I have corrected the issue of the failure to feed and eject, which I believe was my gun not the mags,( wrong spring used on new Kidd guide rod/charging handle, was short stroking the bolt). using standard rounds (peters, bulk federal, and bulk Winchester dynapoint) I am very satisfied with these mags, on the other hand my archangel nomad mags (AA922) also work perfectly with my gun with a few minor tweaks and some "guide spring" adjustment, so I either have to much time on my hands to work on these mags or am just lucky.
 
Strungout said:
sorry for the late reply, I will take some pics and highlight areas in which I rounded and filed flat, I have run another 500 rounds through my 3 mags since I first posted and have had maybe 10 FTE's and about the same failure to feed, I have corrected the issue of the failure to feed and eject, which I believe was my gun not the mags,( wrong spring used on new Kidd guide rod/charging handle, was short stroking the bolt). using standard rounds (peters, bulk federal, and bulk Winchester dynapoint) I am very satisfied with these mags, on the other hand my archangel nomad mags (AA922) also work perfectly with my gun with a few minor tweaks and some "guide spring" adjustment, so I either have to much time on my hands to work on these mags or am just lucky.
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Well I am very open to trying to modify the feed lips on one of my 5 mags, failing this the other 4 will be going back.

Please post the details and photos of your mods Strungout and I will take my iPad, file set, and sandpaper to the range with me. I am also going to try gaffers tape around the top of the mag as the side to side play is insanely loose which certainly would have some impact on chamber alignment.

Don't know what can be done about the bolt contacting the feed lips though. These mags seem far to high in the Magwell when properly seated by the notches.

On another note, I tried running Winchester M22 black copper plated round nose but they would not eject from my Dlask sporter barrel and had trouble seating in the chamber properly and the bolt would repeatedly failed to close... Not really the mags fault but I guess I can't test with those round nose account unreliable even in the 10 rd factory mags.
 
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